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Oops, I forgot - noon and 8PM again today for the auto posts. Sweet dreams.
morning
good morning
Morning.
We sure are exciting today.
Hi everyone!
Corinne - hi! Terribly quiet here. I have to leave for work - sorry I can't stay to play!
Have a good day, TriCKsie! :-D
Morning! Happy Teacher Appreciation Week Jill, FT, and TB!
Karen- Some ideas for your front are Shasta Daisies, (purple) Salvia, Stella Doro Daylilies, and Black Eyed Susans. They will all bloom through the summer and are pretty low maintainence. The black eyed susans get tall enough to block your a/c, but not your window.
Hey Corinne. Good book: the witch doctors wife, by Tamar Meyers. You will like it. What are you reading now?
Good morning all!
Good morning! I HAVE to get somethings done today, so I may be MIA today. If I'm not MIA, tell me to get my lazy, fat ass up and do something! I give you all permission.
OMG, Robin! Your yard is beautiful!
Taiya, Any luck locating the version article I might have been talking about?
Hi EL, Taiya & Mulie! :)
EL - Thanks for the recommendation! I added it on my wishlist.
I started reading "Strength in what remains" by Tracy Kidder. It is very good so far.
Here's a review for it:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/30/books/review/Suskind-t.html
Mulie- nope. No such luck. I read quite a bit about it in other places, though. I have really read a lot, considering I don't even know if I will need it.
Corinne- I always thought to myself "She's straight up gangsta". I am glad to see that I was right.
Taiya - Everyone knows I am a dangerous person. Ha! ;-D
Caught up now.
CK you're killing me with all your new persona's!
Good morning! This place is not easy to catch up on. There are so many inside jokes that I'm totally lost.
Taiya--I don't think I've met you before so I should probably say "hi" before jumping in on your topic. "Hi!" I looked into having a version done with my fourth child. I decided against it and we were going to have a c-section. Five minutes before they wheeled me down to the OR they did a quick ultrasound and found that she had turned. I wouldn't give up on your little one turning yet. I tried the frozen veges and all that stuff to get her to turn. I don't know why she finally decided to but she was pretty sneaky about it.
Can someone share the link to Robin's garden?
Goodmorning Ladies! I can't even begin to have time to go through the post from this weekend. I hope everyone had a good one. Anyone willing to give me cliff's notes?
Morning all! Catching up on comments from last night:
AP said: “Since we're confessing, I suppose it's time to let go of this burden I've been carrying...
I really *am recruiting.”
ROFL! I *knew it!
Robin, your yard and your plants are beautiful! Love the wisteria – I bet it was gorgeous when it was blooming. I’ve never seen an ice plant before.
CK, I love your secret identities. And especially the subtle hints you build into them!
Hi CPTwife! I am not giving up on her turning. :) I will let them try the version if she is still not turned, as I don't want to opt for the c-section, if I can avoid it. Otherwise I will just pray that she turns and do whatever has to be done to have a safe and healthy delivery, be it natural birth or c-section. :)
Hi CPT! Welcome back :)
Godd morning Brie, SW & Jill!
Speaking of recruiting and the military, has anyone seen this Onion video? Too funny! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aotlEpmAFVQ
Hi Corinne! How are you? How is school?
Taiya, Good luck. I know even though little man is head down right now(and headbutting my cervix and pubic bone) he can turn at any time in the next 13 weeks.... We will keep you in our prayers!
I've got to run. Have a good day ladies and maybe I'll see you this afternoon when Miss H goes down for a nap.
CPT - I'm great and school is going well! Thanks for asking!
Have a great day!
I, too, am off. DD is up, breakfast is done. On to the day at hand. :) I have a to do list a mile long that I made over the weekend while doing other stuff on my other to do list. It's a vicious cycle. :D
hello corinne, sw, brie, jill, and taiya...
and everyone else!
quiet here today. hope no one got flooded in nashville
Morning, all! CPT, if you were around more, you'd understand the jokes. And no, I'm not above dropping big hints for you to be around more. :-)
Mulie, I"m curious about something and if you don't want to answer it, it's really okay...I won't hound you. :-) We seem to be able to discuss things pretty civilly around here though, so I'm going to ask. You said yesterday you're pro-life and I'm wondering what you think should be done with those babies if abortion were outlawed? And yeah, I know I'm opening up a possible can of worms here but I think we're all pretty capable of stepping back before anything turns ugly.
Corinne, how's your grandma?
'Morning, Rhys...how are y'all today?
Morning all. I've been sent to crack the case.
Good morning, all!
Haven't been on all weekend, so I have no clue what's going on. (as opposed to, you know, when I'm *totally on the ball!)
I did go back and look at Robin's yard -- beautiful! I am jealous!
Not much to say yet this morning. Wind is howling, and it's kind of trying to spit rain or snow or something. Nasty.
heya major pie
we're doing ok. it's kind of chilly, but i'm trying to save the firewood for later in the week when it's supposed to snow again.
how's the hot weather down there?
Lol, Jessica, we have a case?
Hi, Robin, how was your weekend?
Yes, the case of the daisies that helped a gent out. It will be quite the riveting story on the newsfeed. Almost as compelling as telling someone how to behave on the internet. *snickers*
MP - the weekend was good. Hmmm, boring, but good. Went to Kalispell and grocery shopping on Saturday, mowed Kelly's folks' lawn and cleaned house a little bit yesterday. B-o-r-i-n-g but nice.
Rhys, you need a disguise. So do you, Robin.
It is HOT here. It'll be in the 90's again today and so humid that hard surfaces feel damp. My weather station says it's 87 in my house with 68% humidity. I'm praying the a/c guys can come today and get this thing rigged. :-/
major pie
how come i need a disguise?
i suppose i can grab one later when there's more napping going on. right now, the kids are awake, and i need to stop programming and compiling and feed them. (:
i shall consider a disguise for later, just for fun.
Boring can be really, really nice.
"Almost as compelling as telling someone how to behave on the internet. *snickers*"
Oh, for shame, for shame. You know they're just doing the world a service. *nods*
There. I have a disguise. Think anyone will know it's me?
I'd really like to bash on someone today. Anyone want to volunteer, or shall I just choose at random?
...but Major Pie, wouldn't that be (whispers) "socialism"?
Not Robin,
We have to make this fair, and in the spirit of stopping "this"...whatever "this" is. You know, talking about breastpumps, gardening, and kittens. Vile, evil, no good daisies!
I was just instructed to order my own Mother's Day present. Hubby is going to be working 15 hour days this week so I can't fault him for needing me to do it... but why was it left to the last minute???
At least I got myself something nice!!
Brie - what'd you get yourself?
Morning ladies
Sweet and Innocent? ::choking on my Diet Pepsi::
JF said - but Major Pie, wouldn't that be (whispers) "socialism"?
Why this sudden urge to go buy up all the deli chicken?
Morning Daisies - Whoever the heck you are :-D
Erin and AP - I about lost reading your late night MP posts - too funny!
Happy Teacher Appreciation Week!
NOT RiM- A new diaper bag... lame I guess but it has all sorts of cool pockets and stuff. Need more room for baby#2's stuff!
I am completely sweet and innocent......why would one choke on Diet Pepsi over such a thing???
Mmmmmm...deli chicken...
Sweet and Innocent, you're going to hell for this particular lie. :-D
Brie, when is Mother's Day? I know, I know...I should know but I don't.
Brie - Good gift! I know it is considered bizarre to buy your own, but in a way it is a relief and you get what you want. (spoken from experience of getting lots of fishing gear, outdoor wear, etc).
It is such a yucky Monday though...I am feeling like I should be helpful and perhaps post all of my information online so that others dont have to be so sleuthy. Though today was the last day I shall grace such a place as I havent seen anything as hypocritical in a long time....own what you say online....coming from a bunch of people hiding their identity. I pish them. I also love how they are posting someone's info and claiming to be the reason they went dark even though they went dark well before that place even existed. pish again
S & I, poor thing. You've landed yourself amongst a vile daisy patch. Phone home and quickly :-D
Morning all.
"I scold you seriously!" Heh.
Major Pie I am already going to hell but dammit I am going to have a lot of company :)
Not Robin, just pick someone...random is good.
'Morning, BD...how is everyone feeling in your house today?
S&I, "pish"? Really?
I
dont
think
I
can
escape
I
am
already
addicted!!!
Pish is better then humpf
or would a big fat fuck off work better?
uh-oh that wasnt very sweet or innocent was it
"uh-oh that wasnt very sweet or innocent was it"
Well, no. And addicted to what now? :-D
A little birdy said that if you spend more then three hours online and it isnt to make money you are be addicted no question.
Kinda silly if you ask me since really I should just look at the faceless, couldnt even stay away for the weekend source :)
But enough of that nonsense I am done with that sad place.
Oh, well, then I'm addicted, too.
I'm good with it.
Now what?
or would a big fat fuck off work better?
Bahahhahahha! You're busted :-D
Not Robing - I think S&I beat ya to it!
HAHAHA woke up in a mood today I did :)
MP, I am so glad you asked, as this is a question I often struggle with and question the sign-holding pro-lifers with.
I even questioned the crazy lady: http://stevenandersonfamily.blogspot.com/2010/04/question-answer.html
I don't really want to stop abortions so much as I want people to take responsibility for their own actions. My hubby and I discussed Mrs Anderson's response to the question and ::gulp:: kind of agreed with her.
It is tough, that's why I support organizations that assist women with things for their baby and am involved in some community outreach to help promote breastfeeding and self esteem in pregnant and single mothers.
"Not Robing"
Oooooh, is it Naked Daisy Day?
I hate when I get one-up-bashed!
hehehehehe MP that would be a dream come true no?
I think that is what Mondays are for :-D Gets ya fired up so you can make it through the week.
But whatever we do, we must not disturb SW. Since she outed that she is on Patrol, she is sleeping so that she can dredge up some work for me tonight. SW - I'll buy you a coffee and donut around 3 am.
I think it's hypocritical to tell someone they can't have an abortion, but then to withhold help or assistance because you don't want it coming out of your taxes. I also disagree with the many social programs out there who give and give and give, while we pay and pay and pay.
I wasn't even going to acknowledge the "not robing." Clearly someone trying to get me involved in a discussion not fit for the mother of two lovely girls.
"Not Robing"
ROFLOL! Whoops :-D
Mulie that statement is very true I think. We have social programs that are so outdated that they need some serious revamping. They were set up to help out short term but what they have become is a giant black hole that so many families get lost in. They need to make them hand up programs instead of hand out programs. Give people skills and opportunity instead of punishing them when they try to get off the programs.
And the biggest way to slow abortion is through education and prevention.
MP-It is this Sunday. We have way too many moms in our extended family to ever even think about forgetting the date!!!
KaytieJ- I sent a list to narrow it down for him a while ago. I would LOVE it if he would surprise me. I somehow lucked out a few years ago when he decided that me saying I wanted to be surprised meant something from Tiffany's &Co. I dont even know how it happened but I wont ever complain! Even though I rarely wear ANY jewelry!
Mulie, thanks so much for answering me and thanks for that link, too. Stop gulping...I, too, feel as she does on this issue, at least as far as what's contributed greatly to the problem and what ought to have to happen. But it isn't *going to happen, people aren't going to step up and be responsible for their own actions unless forced to do so. So, then what? (<- question not aimed at you specifically) What about all those babies that would be born if abortion were outlawed *and there were no government programs? That's the part I wish people like her would really answer.
"I think it's hypocritical to tell someone they can't have an abortion, but then to withhold help or assistance because you don't want it coming out of your taxes. I also disagree with the many social programs out there who give and give and give, while we pay and pay and pay."
I'll just be sitting over here with Mulie today.
"And the biggest way to slow abortion is through education and prevention."
Yeah, they said that about drugs, too. How'd that work out for 'em?
Mulie- I agree 100% with you. I am pro-life as well but HATE to see those who use the system get rewarded for having more children just to get more money. Education should be rewarded, not popping out more kids.
The difference between drugs and abortion is that they made drugs into a big money making game of cat and mouse. It is human nature to go after that which is forbidden.
Well, I have another question. If you're pro-life...why? Do you think abortion is murder? Or just that it's wrong to end the potential for life? And again, I know it's a loaded topic so feel free to ignore my ass.
I think abortion is murder.
Although I definitely don't have time to get into this discussion today. I'll be reading along, though.
It's really a catch 22. Until women (with a man's help, of course) stop getting pregnant (said from the mouth of a pregnant woman), then abortion may just be a necessary evil.
I have had friends that have gone both ways. One became a single mom in high school and worked hard, sacrificed, had help from her family, and her son is wonderful and worth it all. The other got pregnant on a one night stand and decided before she even tested positive that she was going to get an abortion. She went through a horrible self destructive period, is currently in counseling, and just had her first baby. She was having trouble bonding and confessed to me that she was afraid the decision she made to have an abortion was going to come back to haunt her and something was going to happen to her baby.
S&I, it's also human nature to get caught up in the moment, to think it can't happen to you, etc.
I keep thinking, too, to a mutual friend of Robin and me (myself? I? What's proper here?) who taught at an inner city high school. She would tell us how having multiple babies, and starting early, was a badge of honor for these girls. It was the same as seeing who has the most purses or shoes and they would have lists of names ready because it was just assumed they'd have babies before they got out of school. They didn't *want to prevent it. That's societal/cultural and education or prevention won't touch that. When I lived in Miami, I saw a lot of the same attitude because of the work I did (human resources connected with government hiring programs), although it was tempered some by the heavy religious influences.
I think that it is murder. You are taking a life. My son's heart was beating at 6 weeks. He was alive then. Taking life is wrong. You chose to have sex(for the most part, I know there are instances where there is no choice in the matter for the woman) and to me, sex's main purpose is to bring forth life. It was your choice.
"I think abortion is murder.
Although I definitely don't have time to get into this discussion today. I'll be reading along, though."
Now wait a minute...you have time to want to bash people but not this? That's not playing fair! :-P Pfffft!
If it's murder, is it okay to kill abortion doctors to save the babies from being murdered? Because I'm thinking yes, just as it would be okay to kill Joe Jones if you saw him ripping apart a 2 month old on the sidewalk. I'd kill Joe if I saw that happening, I'd not think twice over it. In fact, I'm thinking *morally, you'd have to.
Do I think women who have abortions are murderers? Nah. I just don't understand how people don't think abortion kills. Maybe what it kills is not yet a baby, but it had the potential to be. I don't know when life starts, so I err on the side of caution (for myself at least) and say life stats at conception.
What gets me are the people who are vegetarians, but are staunch pro-choice-ers and the sign carrying pro-lifers that judge single mothers and want to reduce social programs that help children.
Joe Jonas is a baby killer? That doesn't surprise me.
MP very true....was watching Nat Geo last night and had to kind of laugh at the show. It was about DEA and such going into Columbia to hunt down and destroy cocaine labs....it was a game of cat and mouse.
Brie see I have known too many who have taken precautions to not get pregnant yet still got pregnant. My sister had this happen 3 times because as I teas her she is a baby making machine. Three different pills and three, thank goodness, healthy babies. But with the philosophy of sex is for making babies, not saying that that is what you are saying as an absolute, I would have had to stopped having sex 16 years ago or kept having babies....I dont want anymore.
Mulie, I'd never thought about the vegetarian aspect of it all...that is rather funny, isn't it? I mean, none of us truly *know* when life actually begins. We can only go by what they believe. So, they could be wrong and boy, wouldn't *that be ironic?
What we believe, I mean.
This may be weird but before I miscarried many many moons ago I would have thought that abortion was murder but I dont anymore. I guess after going through that I realized that it is a crap shoot to have a healthy baby.
I consider myself pro-choice, but I think some people might consider me pro-life. Abortion has never been an option for me personally; I simply don't judge people who have taken another path. I have had many people come to me when they found out they were pregnant, and while I have never, once, ever recommended abortion, I have remained friends and maintained my respect for them if they chose to abort.
If it is a sin against God, which so many people believe, I believe you should let God tend to it. I'm not God or God-like, and I don't have the time to pretend to be.
I also truly respect people who believe differently (and I really mean that), unless you feel the need to bomb an abortion clinic, or justify that behavior. Then all bets are off.
I am on my 2nd birth control baby! Oopsie.
Lol, Jones, not Joe Jonas. This should probably not be amusing me as much as it does.
MP - I wish I had time to debate abortion, *and bash on someone today, but I don't have time, or, frankly, the mental ability today. I have to finish this transcript so I can answer my phone again, lol.
I hate wind. Hate. It.
Oh, I really like how BD just put it. I would say that characterizes how I feel better. I respect the choice others make, whether I personally agree with it or not. The fact that as a taxpayer I may have to *pay for a decision I don't agree with? Well, unfortunately, that isn't confined only to the whole abortion debate, you know?
Good Morning, ladies. Sounds like we have quite a serious conversation going on.
Murder is wrong no matter what so no, I dont think that abortion doctors should be killed to save the babies. They are within their current legal rights to preform those abortions.
One of the moms on my birth board was given a terminal diagnosis for her baby when she was 21 weeks pregnant. She decided to terminate that baby's life. I can't even imagine facing that decision. At this moment I think I would have chosen to deliver the baby and let nature take it's course instead of doing a late term abortion. I could feel my child kicking by 21 weeks. So I think I am with Mulie here that at this moment, any death of a baby at another's hands is murder. In whatever condition. But obviously I am very biased at the moment.
There are extenuating circumstances for everything, this included. The thing that troubles me is how accepted it is. It is a way to clean up your mess and not have to be held accountable for your choices.
BD, I'm pretty much where you are on it all now. There was a time where I'd have considered an abortion without blinking an eye and now? I've rethought that and could not do it. I don't believe life begins at conception and don't believe it's murder but it just doesn't feel right in my heart as a personal decision now. I'm pro-choice and would support anyone choosing to have an abortion because it's just not up for me to set absolutes like that for others, only for myself.
"Murder is wrong no matter what so no, I dont think that abortion doctors should be killed to save the babies."
Brie, if you saw Joe Jonas (lol) killing a baby out in a parking lot, would you be willing to kill him to stop him? Or would that be murder on your part so you'd let him kill that baby? I see them as very different things. I could never murder anyone but I could certainly kill someone who was killing a defenseless baby and not feel I murdered them. God, I sound so antagonistic in how I asked that if you read it the wrong way. Please know that's not how I meant it.
"They are within their current legal rights to preform those abortions."
See, to me? And I admit this is a totally personal statement, but governmental laws should never supersede God's laws.
"It's just not up for me to set absolutes like that for others, only for myself."
That's pretty much how I live my life, MP. I hold myself to absolutes, but not other people. I tend to give others leeway. That might sound awful, but it's true. In the end, it's harder on me than on other people, so...what can I say?
I have a feeling that, if I had an abortion, I would never forgive myself, but I wouldn't feel like I had to forgive a friend; they'd just go on being my friend, and that's it.
Does that make any sense?
And with that, I'm out for awhile...I'm not sure what I hope to find when I get back. :-D
SI- sounds like you and I have the same sister! I think we are blessed in this day and age to be able to prevent pregnancy under most circumstances. There are so many options out there that if one thing doesn't work, another should. I don't believe that sex is ONLY to make babies. It is also a gift to bring partners together and strengths their relationship. Accidents certainly happen. I would hope though, that those who had those accidents happen would agree that they do not regret having that birth control baby and that in the end it was a blessing.
I have been very blessed to only have had planned pregnancies and to have birth control(and only condoms at that!) work for over 7 years before I had my first. My only personal experience with those women who have chosen abortion is unfortunately to clean up an accident that occurred after a night of bad decisions.
How do you pro-lifers feel about Plan B? I personally feel since it only prevents implantation it is a form of birth control and not murder. Much like an IUD prevents implantation.
Hello ladies - on abortion - when my GYN misread lab results and told me that I was prego I scheduled a termination because I chose to my life and being a mother to the child I already had. Did I feel horrible about it - you bet. My husband and I as well as our parents went through several days of agony until I found out that my GYN had messed up the lab results.
I know a lot of people consider abortion murder each and every time. So by that logic in my case I guess they would have preferred me to commit suicide - because carrying a baby would have been just that.
I am pro-life because I believe that all life is a gift from God. I do believe abortion is murder. However, I wouldn't ever shout that in anyone's face or walk down the street near an abortion clinic because I don't think that's an effective way to show someone Gods grace and love.
Above thinking abortion is wrong and is murder, I believe we are to love people right where they are and not shame them for a decision they have made or might make. Calling someone a murderer and waving a sign in their face with a dead fetus on it doesn't exactly send a message of love and hope.
Unfortunately I knew a woman who actually used abortion as a form of birth control. She had three live births but in between those pregnancies she had had at least one abortion. That I think is totally wrong. In today's day and age there are ways to prevent pregnancy and I can see if there was an ooops but how does someone in 10 years give birth to 3 and abort 4-5 others? That is where I feel that education should be utilized.
I am pretty much a fence sitter really. I consider myself pro-life, but it has not been an issue that affects my vote.
SI:
I know someone who used abortion as birth control, as well. That does not sit right with me. :)
MP, I believe that self defense extends to protecting those who cannot protect themselves(SW... am I correct?) so yes, if I saw Joe Jonas killing an infant child, outside the mother's body, then I would go as far as I needed to protect that child.
And I also agree that no government law should supersede God's law, I also believe that we are to obey the laws of the land(second time I have type that out today-weird) and use our rights to vote to express our beliefs. Since I am not preforming the abortions I am not in violation of God's law. Those who are will be judged and my burden is to try to elect representatives who will support my beliefs in their voting records.
An IUD doesn't necessarily prevent implantation. It does, however, make the uterus a "hostile" environment-the lining of the wall is too thin and fragile to sustain an embryo, so *if* an egg is fertilized, it most likely won't survive. Many people consider the IUD a abortive form of birth control for this reason.
3 of my kids were conceived while using birth control (the pill for 2 of them, condom for the other). It happens. But that's part of the risk you take when you have sex. Only abstinence is 100% guarantee you won't get pregnant.
Brie I have actually used Plan B ONE time. You have to take it within 72 hours of unprotected sex. I didnt have unprotected sex but the condom broke and I had just started my BC....I was glad it was an option.
Margaret I have never thought of abortion for myself but I can only imagine how agonizing it was for you having to literally face that decision head on. I am glad that the doctor was wrong and you didnt have to do it even though I can completely understand why you made the choice you did.
Margaret does make a point in and of itself. Like so many other "big" choices/decisions in life, until you are actually the one sitting and facing that decision and the one factoring the ramifications your decision is going to have, it's pretty easy to say, "I would *NEVER do X," or "I believe that people who make X decision are morally wrong." Once it's *you facing that decision, only you know what's right for you and how it will impact you, your life, your family, and so on.
SI: I know of someone that also used it as a BC. She had 3 abortions while we were in high school. One of them was so that she could still complete in Nationals for our cheer squad. That's just very wrong to me.
Unfortunately I have to get some stuff done around here so I will be catching up later. I want to make it clear that although I believe it to be murder, I also would never get in anyone's face about it. My best friend in college used abortion as birth control and I remained her friend even though I disagreed with her decision.
I do think adoption is an option. I personally know too many who cannot have children of their own and they are so badly wanting to adopt a baby.
I have also seen how the state run adoptions are heartbreakingly flawed. Adoption of older children in this country needs a serious overhaul. I know there are SO MANY older children that need homes but I think the system is what is keeping them away from a real family.
I think Plan B is a great option. If my friend had had that option, she would not have had to go through with an abortion. She also would have never know if she was pregnant or not.
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SI Plan B does have it's limits but I do think if it were more available OR taught as a birth control option, there would be less abortions. As I understand it, Plan B is $50 bucks unless you go to planned parenthood, then it is free.
My cousin has had 3 abortions, that I know of. The irony is, she just had her first baby and she was conceived with artificial insemination, with her partner.
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