oopsie daisy...i said that?: The next in our series...

Thursday, May 27, 2010

The next in our series...

...guess whose rigged up swamp cooler? Yes, swamp cooler. The duct-taped box is a home-made vent system to pull the cool air inside. Genius, even if it's not pretty. Let's see...a clue? Hmmmm. One of our horse-loving Daisies sent this gem in. :-)

Happy Thursday!

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Karen said...: Mulie how are you feeling? I'm getting excited about being a Daisy Aunt! My friend from where I worked in NY is having her C-section tomorrow! she turned 40 in April and has a 2 year old at home... She wanted just one more, and wanted a girl SO bad, she read some book, made her husband where boxers, made him eat certain things, had sex in certain positions, all designed to *make* a girl - and they are having a second boy! LOL But she's thrilled at having another boy and I can't wait to see pictures of her new little one tomorrow night - Can't wait to see the baby Mulie and baby Taiya too!!

It was HOT here today!! Weird for this time of the year, but I LOVE it!!; May 27, 2010 at 1:39 AM
twirldawg said...: Morning ladies.
One of these days my two year old will get the concept of sleeping in.; May 27, 2010 at 8:06 AM
laura said...: Jill
happy beginning to sahm life!; May 27, 2010 at 8:08 AM
twirldawg said...: laura!

Yeah, so far so good.; May 27, 2010 at 8:17 AM
Angie said...: Morning all! Eating Greek yogurt with strawberries for breakfast. Why the hell has no one ever told me how delicious Greek yogurt is? ::looking around accusingly::

It was great to see Bella and FT and some other missing Daisies here last night! And so great to have Kay hang out for a while. It was a good Daisy night!

Catching up on comments I missed:

Mulie, it sounds to me like your relative doesn’t kids at the reception and is handling it horribly by not addressing that directly. I think it’s fine to have events where kids aren’t invited, but when out-of-town guests are involved, they should have arranged for child care, which wouldn’t be that difficult.

Karen, Closer to Fine is my favorite Indigo Girls song too! That song really spoke to me at a time I needed it to. Told me to lighten up. I’m glad you like the Lost ending.

Hi Laura! It’s great to see you!

Jill, sorry you don't get to sleep in. I kicked a cat this morning for trying to get me out of bed. Not hard though, really just a little nudge. Guess you can't do that with kids, huh?; May 27, 2010 at 9:16 AM
twirldawg said...: SW it's all good, I can always take a nap this afternoon.; May 27, 2010 at 9:24 AM
Lisa said...: Good morning! And there's nothing wrong with kicking a kid as long as you don't leave marks.

Karen, I always hate missing you! Let us know how your friend and her baby are, will you? How's your mom doing?

Laura!! It's good to see you - how are the gentlemen?; May 27, 2010 at 9:42 AM
Deb said...: Laura!!!! I've missed you and the gentlemen - how are you all?

Good morning

RF - you made me choke on my coffee with your "I can do Tom Selleck" comment yesterday!

AP - I remember you commented a while back about Mark looking like John Denver, I told him that and he thinks it's cute!

We saw Chicago / Earth Wind & Fire last summer....those old guys can still play for sure.; May 27, 2010 at 9:46 AM
Really Frugal said...: Sorry, Deb.

Scowling at AP. No kicking children.

Good to see Laura! Come back and chat.

My nephew had a second wedding a couple months back. We didn't go because we were at Disney with the princesses, but daughter and her 4 kids went. They had a large kids' table at the dinner with a separate menu and several trusted sitters who were available to be taken to hotel rooms with out of town kids. Very, very nice.

Off to buy bird seed and bedding plants. Time to summer up this sorry yard. Have agood day, everyone.; May 27, 2010 at 9:57 AM
Anonymous said...: Hey everyone!

I *love Closer to fine. I'm not an Indigo Girls fan but that song is wonderful!

Are you all happy with the AI winner?; May 27, 2010 at 10:01 AM
Angie said...: AP LOL re kicking kids! Add that to the list of Daisy offenses!

Morning to you, Deb, and RF!

RF, your nephew handled that wedding perfectly! Good to hear some people still have manners/class! Have fun sprucing up the yard.

When I got home yesterday I discovered that my yard guy had finally put in the edging around my front beds and mulched it, so my front of the house renewal project is complete! It looks so good and I hope to take pictures this weekend. If I can find my camera.; May 27, 2010 at 10:04 AM
Angie said...: Hi Corinne! I would have chosen a different winner, but I'm okay with it. They'll both be successful, and the runner-up probably more so, which is fitting.

I'm off to buckle down. Will check in at lunch. Have a great morning!; May 27, 2010 at 10:05 AM
Deb said...: ::waving to SW!!!::

Pics of renewal project, please?; May 27, 2010 at 10:06 AM
Anonymous said...: SW - I'm with Deb - pictures of the front house pretty, pretty please. ::puppy dog eyes::

I say this swamp cooler is RiM's. Am I right?

Karen - Let us know about your friend and her baby!; May 27, 2010 at 10:11 AM
Deb said...: OMG - I *love the creative use of Duct Tape all over this post pic!; May 27, 2010 at 10:13 AM
Robin in Montana said...: Good morning,everyone!

I missed it - RF is doing Tom Selleck?

SW -- Plain greek yogurt with honey drizzled over it,cinnamon and raw almonds? I would *almost give up sex for that, it's that good.

The swamp cooler is not mine - I think it's Taiya's?

And I'm with FT - I choose to typically boycott events where my kids aren't welcome. I may choose to go and leave their little sticky fingers at home on my own, but I don't like being told they aren't welcome. I got in a big ass argument over that years ago on an AOL message board.

Of course, on that same message board I got called low classed or white trash or something or other for serving swiss steak to "company" (my inlaws.) Good times. I miss those bitches. :)

What else is going on today?; May 27, 2010 at 10:17 AM
laura said...: We are in a sick pattern, but starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel. Jack has an ear infection and Will is feverish, today it is just low grade. We are going to go and pick berries for about 10 minutes if I'm lucky. I have to get out of this house, we have been here since Sunday.

Ap glad to hear aout Miss ARSe.\
Deb how many days of 2:30 pickup?
RF I really need some frugal training.; May 27, 2010 at 10:19 AM
Robin in Montana said...: Hi Laura! I missed that you popped in!

And I *always miss Karen! :(; May 27, 2010 at 10:20 AM
laura said...: robin how are kelly's parents?; May 27, 2010 at 10:24 AM
Anonymous said...: Hi Laura & RiM!

Deb - I love the creative use of duct tape in that picture too! ;-)

Laura - I hope the gentlemen get well soon!; May 27, 2010 at 10:26 AM
Robin in Montana said...: Laura -- oh my word, it's a mess.

They called Kelly's work to order DSL service (they have dial-up) so he ran by in the afternoon to drop off the modem and stuff and to tell them he'd come by after work to set it up. Walks in and his dad has fallen trying to get out of his chair, and is having like an asthma attack or something. In the meantime, his mom had apparently tried to get up to go get the phone or go to the bathroom or something, and has falled in the kitchen. She thinks they've both been down for maybe an hour or hour and a half.

Went and got his dad an inhaler from the pharmacy, got his mom up and cleaned up (she'd had an accident) and them both settled back in. We went by yesterday evening to really and try and get them to understand that they have to do something, that this is dangerous, and it's scary for Kelly, scary for them. He can't be there 24/7. They are absolutely dead set against any change at all. They were mad that he suggested it. I don't know what will happen. One of them will end up dying at this rate.; May 27, 2010 at 10:33 AM
laura said...: So Sorry! that is horrible and heartbreaking.; May 27, 2010 at 10:37 AM
Anonymous said...: RiM - I am so sorry. This sucks. How old are his parents?; May 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM
Deb said...: RiM- I am so sorry. I do not think they are capable of making their own decisions anymore. His mom may have *thought it was an hour or an hour and a half, but what if it was 3 or 4 hours? Time for Kelly to take control, no matter their feelings, imo.; May 27, 2010 at 10:45 AM
Robin in Montana said...: Deb - I agree, and we are talking. He is going through a hard time with all of it, which I understand. It's hard to step in and tell your parents you're taking over, and he feels guilty and bad. He's also feeling a lot of anger towards his brother for leaving him to deal with this on his own.

Corinne - they aren't that old. His mom is 68 and his dad is 75. Just both in really bad health and worsening their own health with the way they are living.; May 27, 2010 at 10:47 AM
Anonymous said...: RiM - Wow. That's young to be going through that :(
It must be terrible for Kelly to make all these decisions. (((hugs))) to you both (because I don't have any clever advice).; May 27, 2010 at 10:51 AM
Deb said...: RiM - I understand his feelings regarding his brother. But, he needs to push that aside for the time being and focus on the well-being of his parents. Which guilt would be worse, making sure they are safe and them being angry, or finding them, well, you know.; May 27, 2010 at 10:52 AM
Anonymous said...: Mulie - who tells a wedding guest to call the reception site themselves - ugh. I totally understand not wanting children at some events but make arrangements for them - that's what a well bred host would do.

The air conditiner is hilarious!; May 27, 2010 at 10:54 AM
Robin in Montana said...: Deb - I totally agree.; May 27, 2010 at 10:57 AM
Deb said...: Rim - ((((HUG)))); May 27, 2010 at 10:59 AM
Deb said...: Laura - I forgot - I have a couple of more weeks before 1/2 days start.; May 27, 2010 at 11:07 AM
Karen said...: Good morning Daisy's! Just checking in for a few - I think Megan is coming over for the day with Riley and Tay - its gonna be HOT again today and they don't have a/c and they are already sticky hot in the house. Megan called crying this morning at 9 and said that their dog (her b/f mother's dog, not her dog) killed on of the kittens... it was laying on the floor with a broken neck and bloody mouth - she put the dog on the porch and called for Patti to come help her bury the kitten and do something about the dog and the kittens. I think Patti is going to try to go to a home center store and see if they will give her the bottom of a refrig or stove box or something, put the kittens in... They have a small box but the kittens are getting so active and this one must have gotten out - the box was behind a chair and couch, in the corner of the living room, and the dog can't get back there. This dog was a stray her future mother in law took in, and has been nothing but trouble since, he was skin and bones (named him Bones) and they brought him back to health and he's so ungreatful - he chews Riley's toys all the time, chews shoes, has gone to the bathroom in the house out of spite for being left home alone - She is so mad at him now, not sure if they are going to try to find him a new home or what... But now there are only 5 kittens :(

My friend is having her c-section at 2 today - what a weird time right? She had to be at the hospital at noon - I talked to her last night she said she was setting her alarm for 5:45 so she could eat a bowl of cereal or something before 6 - that is the cut off time that she's not allowed to eat! I will report when her little baby is born!! Any Daisy births today??; May 27, 2010 at 11:09 AM
Karen said...: RiM What a sad situation for Kelly to be in with his parents! My dad was diagnosed with cancer and was living alone, only about 5 minutes from me, but at the time he was in good health (well other than the hoarse voice, he felt fine) He started chemo and radiation and they had to put a feeding tube in him since it was mouth cancer, the radiation burned his mouth to the point he wasn't able to eat at all - and he started losing weight fast cause he would only "feed" himself a can of ensure when he felt hungry - once or maybe twice a day - when they told him to do 6 cans a day. So, he ended up in the hospital with pneumonia, and when he was released, I had his doctor tell him that he wasn't able to go home alone yet, that he needed to recover with someone - and I took him home with me. It was hard on him, giving up his independance though! Maybe one of their doctors could tell them how dangerous its getting for them to be alone with nobody? I'm sorry - that is hard!

My mom is loving her new apartment, she takes part in snack night, she cooks for the Thursday lunches, she is helping cook for the memorial day party - she helped at a bake sale on voting day because their building was a voting location - she takes her dog out to the dog area every morning around 11 to sit in the shade and she meets up with the other dog owner ladies and chats for hours! She thought she would hate it, but its really giving her much more of a social life than she had in her other apartment - I'm so glad she made this move!!; May 27, 2010 at 11:13 AM
Karen said...: and... I killed it! I'm gonna go get some things done around here in case Patti comes home with the kids and Megan... its so hot out - I wish our pool was open, there is one for the apartment complex but they are painting it, so they won't open until June 11. I think they had all April and May to paint the dumb thing!! But there is a nice playground and a huge volleyball sand court that the kids use as a giant sandbox cause nobody plays volleyball on it.. and its partially shaded so we could take the kids there! Have a good day everyone!; May 27, 2010 at 11:47 AM
PJ said...: RiM,
I'm so sorry about the mess with Kelly's parents.

It's really hard - I remember my mom screaming at me that she just wanted me to leave her alone and she hated me for making them have somebody come into the house to help.

I knew deep down she didn't mean it. It's kind of like when you have kids - you have to do things as a parent that, in their eyes, qualify as "mean", but are in their best interests.

He's gonna want to steel himself for some huge anger from them if he decides to take action. I had to put a bubble around me to keep her words from reaching my heart.

And you can remind him that they still love him in spite of what they say.

Or, if he can't make things happen, find a way to let go and forgive himself for any guilt he might feel.; May 27, 2010 at 11:55 AM
Robin in Montana said...: CK - thank you. I think he knows he has to take some action and that they are going to be angry at him, but that he has to do it. He will get there.

And also thank you to you, Karen. For his dad, he takes medication, then forgets he's taken it, so takes some more, until he's essentially overdosed himself.

It's a mess.; May 27, 2010 at 11:58 AM
KaytieJ said...: O.M.G! Just home from working Rapid Response and a night of Traumas, Crises, etc. I am so far behind, but did my best to catch up before passing out in exhaustion.

SW - Thank you for noticing my absence. I was out trying my best, but missed AI. Thank you to for the replay!!! I agree with you, Ellen GLOWS. Her heart shines through.

Kay - You have been dealt a blow in life that few, and I mean a very few, could rise above enough to still be "there" for their husband and kids in any way. You have been an inspiration to me, as is Chris and Elisabeth, to work even harder. My heart goes out to you for waking up in the hospital after a seizure? and realizing you are back in such an alien environment. I am so sorry. However, keep talking, we are listening. ((())); May 27, 2010 at 12:22 PM
Angie said...: Re the Greek yogurt, I need to know what else is out there that I've never had before that's incredibly delicious and even healthy! Seriously, someone send me a list.; May 27, 2010 at 1:45 PM
Angie said...: Karen, it's so great to hear how well your Mom adjusted to her new home!; May 27, 2010 at 1:49 PM
Angie said...: Thank goodness Kaytie's back! I was having phantom Kaytie sightings all day yesterday! "Glows" is a good word for Ellen.; May 27, 2010 at 1:51 PM
Erin said...: Hey Kaytie- i bet you are pooped!; May 27, 2010 at 1:51 PM
Angie said...: I just got back from the drug store and the grocery store (for strawberries, which I'm obsessed with these days), and I've gotta tell you, it's already too dang hot! When I think that we are just about to enter the four hellish months of the year, I want to move to Alaska. Even if that means sharing a state with Sarah Palin. I really hate the summer so bad that if I could blink my eyes and make it October, even if it screwed all of you out of your summer fun, I would. (And even that wouldn't get me banned from Daisy, because I'm pretty sure AP agrees with me.); May 27, 2010 at 1:54 PM
Anonymous said...: Kaytie! You're back! ::hugs Kaytie::

SW - You move to Belgium and I move to Alabama, deal? It rarely gets over 25°C- 30°C during *hot Summer days (77F-86F). We did have a temp of 90F last Sunday but it was considered an anomaly!
<--- likes hot weather.; May 27, 2010 at 1:59 PM
Robin in Montana said...: <---hates hot weather and would keel over in Alabama. It gets hot here, for a few days here and there, but it's not humid at all.

Alaska has mosquitos, SW...

Throw your strawberries in a blender with some skim milk and a scoop of protein powder and some ice and you'd have a breakfast for under 300 calories. You could toss in a couple spoonfuls of your greek yogurt, too, but it'd up the calories. And some ground flaxseed. Still good for you. There's your healthy tip of the day. :-); May 27, 2010 at 2:05 PM
Angie said...: I think I'm having a strawberrygasm. These strawberries are *so dang good!

Deal on the trading places, Corinne! I really don't know that royalty from Belgium is going to like it here, though!; May 27, 2010 at 2:13 PM
Angie said...: I was with you until you said flaxseed, Robin, and then I had a JM flashback and got the DTs.; May 27, 2010 at 2:14 PM
Deb said...: Hey Erin! Well, I guess this is a good time to let everyone know that we actually *met each other yesterday. It was a pleasure to sit and talk with you, and I'm glad our kids had such a great time together!

I'll be happy to report, Erin is as funny and likable in person as she is on Daisy!; May 27, 2010 at 2:19 PM
Deb said...: <-----can take the heat, not the humidity.; May 27, 2010 at 2:19 PM
twirldawg said...: Deb glad to hear that you and Erin had a great meetup.

Georgia summers don't bother me as long as I have a pool close by.; May 27, 2010 at 2:24 PM
Deb said...: It was fun Jill, we just fell into conversation like we've known each other a while. Oh, I guess we have actually!

Alright ladies, have a great afternoon!; May 27, 2010 at 2:31 PM
Robin in Montana said...: SW -- LOL! I just threw the flaxseed in for good measure. You could do flaxseed oil. Or none of it.; May 27, 2010 at 2:32 PM
Robin in Montana said...: I am very jealous of the real-life meet-up!; May 27, 2010 at 2:33 PM
Robin in Montana said...: I'm having grilled shrimp tacos for lunch, SW. That's pretty healthy!; May 27, 2010 at 2:34 PM
Anonymous said...: SW - I'm not royalty, I just know people from royalty and nobility. If your bleeding heart liberal self can live in Alabama, I'm sure I can too!

One thing you should know about Belgium : we can go through the 4 seasons in 1 day. Really. It's very, umm, bizarre. But you can wake up to rainy, super chilly weather and then it can warm up in an instant and be sunny. Weird.

EL & Deb - I'm jealous you got to meet!
Anyone want to visit me? ;-D; May 27, 2010 at 2:35 PM
Angie said...: I'm jealous of the real-life meetup too. Were you nervous? Because what if there was no IRL chemistry and all?; May 27, 2010 at 2:55 PM
Anonymous said...: I think I know who the air conditioner belongs to and I'm just hoping it's not connected to the porto potty!; May 27, 2010 at 4:28 PM
Muliebrity said...: Spent 3 hours in the car today getting a free baby swing. Hope it was worth it! My 2 year old is giving me a run for my money and my car looks like the inside of a dumpster.; May 27, 2010 at 4:31 PM
Angie said...: It's Kaytie's!! And what, Margaret, do you think she shouldn't be comfortable while on the potty?

3 hours for a baby swing is a lot. Hope it's a nice one, Mulie!; May 27, 2010 at 5:01 PM
Life full of bRATS said...: I'd love to meet people from here. I like just about everyone, so I'm actually not to worried about chemistry.; May 27, 2010 at 5:20 PM
Life full of bRATS said...: An yeah kaytie, it's happened 8 times, waking up in the hospital. Most of the time I have some idea that it's where I'm going to end up, but about half of those time I panicked. Because I didn't expect it to happen. But what doesn't kill me, will surly have scarred me for life (just.. kidding) will only make me stronger. And I was told I was suppose to be dead well over a year ago, originally. My husband says he's just glad I never seem to listen to what people say, that and that I'm never on time to anything ;p; May 27, 2010 at 5:26 PM
Robin in Montana said...: I LOL'd at that Kay. I am late for everything, too! I'm sorry you're all having to go through this, though. Your attitude is amazing, but I can only imagine what a drain it is on you, and your family as well. ((Hugs)); May 27, 2010 at 5:47 PM
Angie said...: Well hell. My productive work day got derailed by too long a lunch break (damn strawberries) and a needy friend I need to cut loose. And my own lack of discipline. Sigh. There's always tomorrow!; May 27, 2010 at 6:25 PM
Erin said...: Our meeting *was really fun! And Deb's yard is amazing. That's why I have been out in mine all day, trying to get it to look a tenth as good.; May 27, 2010 at 7:30 PM
Life full of bRATS said...: SO I guess I'll fess up now, that monster swamp cooler is ours. Our AC broke, and so my husband rigged this up. It worked, but MAN can he use duct tape and cardboard.; May 27, 2010 at 8:54 PM
Angie said...: Kay! Congrats on having a handy husband! Your white trash ain't so bad though!; May 27, 2010 at 8:56 PM
Josh and Rya said...: Hello??; May 27, 2010 at 9:26 PM
Nilia said...: *Yours Kay? I never would have guessed! It's useful to have a husband handy with the duct tape though!; May 27, 2010 at 9:29 PM
Nilia said...: Hi J&R!; May 27, 2010 at 9:30 PM
Josh and Rya said...: Hi FT! What's up w/ you? Are you done w/ school for the summer?; May 27, 2010 at 9:31 PM
Nilia said...: No, not yet! We go right until June 30. And the natives are getting restless.; May 27, 2010 at 9:38 PM
Josh and Rya said...: My son "graduated" from Kindergarten today. ::beaming::; May 27, 2010 at 9:40 PM
Josh and Rya said...: Wow, June 30 is late. When do you start?; May 27, 2010 at 9:41 PM
KaytieJ said...: Evening!

Robbin - I caught up on what Kelly is going through with his parents. That is so stressful.

Swiss steak for in-laws coming over is white trash? I love Swiss steak. Whens dinner? I'll hang out with Jerry and we'll try not to step on each other's toes :-D; May 27, 2010 at 9:45 PM
KaytieJ said...: Hello J & R! Yay to graduation!

FT! June 30th? wow. When do you start up?; May 27, 2010 at 9:48 PM
Josh and Rya said...: Hi Kaytie.

Well, I'm dying from seasonal allergies so I'm gonna pop a benadryl and be out like a light. Have a good night.; May 27, 2010 at 9:50 PM
KaytieJ said...: Kay - LOL! That is a great use of duct tape. And I might just take up Margaret's idea and rig one for the Port O Potty :-D; May 27, 2010 at 9:50 PM
Erin said...: Kay- that is very inventive of your hubby! How exactly does it work?

Damn it, I missed J&R. Congrats on your 'first grader'!; May 27, 2010 at 10:33 PM
Life full of bRATS said...: He is! I love how he can use the tape, and his hands. Wait. That sounds kinky. Anyways.

Tonights plan- Sleep. Maybe. I'm probably going to need to have my CvC checked out in the AM as it's red around where it tunnels. And the third lumen resisting flushing. >.<; May 27, 2010 at 10:33 PM
kristin said...: Just wanted to say hi to everyone! I miss chatting with you!

Been REALLY, really busy at work.

It is HOT and HUMID down here, in the 90's and sticky - ick!

Kay - no words. I wish I could wiggle my nose or snap my fingers and make it all better.

Hey RF! :)

Josh & Rya!

Laura - I sent you an e-mail awhile ago, did ya get it.

Okay...back to cleaning. I have laundry going and the dishwasher. Going to go through my bag o'crap!; May 27, 2010 at 10:48 PM
Lisa said...: Evening, all!

Kaytie, I love how fingers immediately pointed to you with the swamp cooler. ;-)

J&R, it's good to see you and congrats on your graduate!

For all the gardeners, does anyone have one of those black plastic stands from Walmart that let you grow tomatoes upside down and herbs or whatever in the top? Not the Topsy Turvy basket, this is a freestanding planter that does it. I'm debating about getting a second one and I'm not even sure the first will be good...anyone tried them? I'm going to do what they call a Mexican garden...tomatoes hanging out and hot peppers plus cilantro in the top. We shall see.; May 27, 2010 at 10:55 PM
Lisa said...: Hi, Kristin!! You're missed around here!; May 27, 2010 at 10:56 PM
Lisa said...: Oh, and I talked to Tee tonight. She is feeling better than she has in awhile - she sounded so good and strong, far better than she's sounded in ages. I told her I'd tell y'all hi. :-); May 27, 2010 at 10:58 PM
Anonymous said...: Quick hi and bye from me, I just wanted to check in. I'm loving the white trash photos, and I am sure Cheryl is, too.; May 27, 2010 at 11:09 PM
Jeanette said...: Hi girls!

AP, I'm glad you're here. I'm completely politics illiterate. How do I know whether I'm liberal or conservative?; May 27, 2010 at 11:11 PM
Lisa said...: Bella, I miss your ass. Well, not your ass, but you know what I mean.

Jeanette, this is a setup, right? Lol...I'm scared to answer it.; May 27, 2010 at 11:12 PM
Lisa said...: Actually, come to think of it, we talked about Bella's ass once and I think I might miss it, too.; May 27, 2010 at 11:13 PM
Anonymous said...: You can't miss my ass, AP. It's the size of the oil spill.

Too soon? Too soon?; May 27, 2010 at 11:13 PM
Nilia said...: Sorry J&R, internet cut me off for a while! We usually start the day after Labour Day but school years must be 194 days long (for teachers, includes PA days) so sometimes (last year and this year coming up too) teachers have to go in before Labour Day for a day or 2, whatever it takes to get to 194 days and not pass June 30.; May 27, 2010 at 11:16 PM
Jeanette said...: LOL! No setup! I promise!! I actually wonder about it every time I read someone declare themselves one or the other. And every time I think about it I mean to ask you and forget!; May 27, 2010 at 11:18 PM
Life full of bRATS said...: Yay on the tee front. I think about her a lot.; May 27, 2010 at 11:19 PM
Lisa said...: Bella, I'm all about big asses, for real. Give me a BP ass and I'm a happy woman.; May 27, 2010 at 11:19 PM
Lisa said...: Jeanette, try this - http://www.blogthings.com/howliberalorconservativeareyouquiz/

Oh, and just to make everyone shit themselves a bit, here are my results.

You Are 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal
Social Issues: 25% Conservative, 75% Liberal

Personal Responsibility: 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal

Fiscal Issues: 100% Conservative, 0% Liberal

Ethics: 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal

Defense and Crime: 25% Conservative, 75% Liberal; May 27, 2010 at 11:24 PM
Jeanette said...: You Are 45% Conservative, 55% Liberal
Social Issues: 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal

Personal Responsibility: 25% Conservative, 75% Liberal

Fiscal Issues: 75% Conservative, 25% Liberal

Ethics: 25% Conservative, 75% Liberal

Defense and Crime: 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal; May 27, 2010 at 11:29 PM
Lisa said...: Jeanette, here's another for you to try - http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz

I scored all the way, smack in the top, can't get any higher, Libertarian. Go figure. :-); May 27, 2010 at 11:32 PM
Jeanette said...: I'm still confused :(; May 27, 2010 at 11:32 PM
Jeanette said...: Heading there now AP, thanks!; May 27, 2010 at 11:32 PM
Nilia said...: Well I was pretty surprised at the calculated results:

Social Issues: 25% Conservative, 75% Liberal

Personal Responsibility: 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal

Fiscal Issues: 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal

Ethics: 25% Conservative, 75% Liberal

Defense and Crime: 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal; May 27, 2010 at 11:33 PM
Nilia said...: Let's just say I've never voted Liberal.; May 27, 2010 at 11:34 PM
Jeanette said...: This one says I'm a centrist! But at the end are little bios of each group, so this should get me somewhere. Thanks AP!; May 27, 2010 at 11:35 PM
Lisa said...: FT, wonder which answers sent you that way? I know the gay marriage and abortions ones headed me into liberal territory. If there were questions about legalizing drugs (I've already forgotten) that would head me there, too. Perhaps those got you, too?; May 27, 2010 at 11:36 PM
Lisa said...: Sure thing, Jeanette! Some people really are very middle of the road and you may be one.; May 27, 2010 at 11:37 PM
Jeanette said...: So AP, you consider yourself a Conservative? I would have guess the other, with my newfound knowledge of the difference!

After reading the bios, I think it was right in labeling me a Centrist. If I had to pick one, I would lean more toward Liberal I think.; May 27, 2010 at 11:38 PM
Anonymous said...: Here's mine, it's pretty accurate.

You Are 35% Conservative, 65% Liberal
Social Issues: 25% Conservative, 75% Liberal

Personal Responsibility: 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal

Fiscal Issues: 75% Conservative, 25% Liberal

Ethics: 0% Conservative, 100% Liberal

Defense and Crime: 25% Conservative, 75% Liberal; May 27, 2010 at 11:39 PM
Nilia said...: AP: I think gay marriage (yes) and abortions (restricted) probably put me in the liberal camp too.

Marijuana slap on wrist. Would that have done it?

I consider myself a Conservative too. Odd for a teacher up here but there you have it.; May 27, 2010 at 11:40 PM
Jeanette said...: I guess "middle of the road" would be perfect for me. I hate that abortion exists and think it's killing a baby. BUT, I don't judge anyone that has one or supports it, and I realize that without it we would have many needy or sick babies. I just wish it didn't have to be that way. I think crack dealers should rot in jail, but think pot should be legal. And I think having welfare available is important, but think it should have stricter policies, be more of a hand up than a hand out. I guess that puts me right in the middle.; May 27, 2010 at 11:41 PM
Jeanette said...: Ours are similar Bella. I knew I liked you.; May 27, 2010 at 11:42 PM
Shannon said...: OMG I hate this because I am somewhat conservative...guess that is where my libertarian side comes in LOL

You Are 35% Conservative, 65% Liberal
Social Issues: 0% Conservative, 100% Liberal

Personal Responsibility: 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal

Fiscal Issues: 100% Conservative, 0% Liberal

Ethics: 0% Conservative, 100% Liberal

Defense and Crime: 25% Conservative, 75% Liberal; May 27, 2010 at 11:42 PM
Anonymous said...: I'm a Libertarian on the other one, a pretty strong one. (Hugs AP hard, smokes a joint, and shoots my gun off into the air); May 27, 2010 at 11:42 PM
Muliebrity said...: Social Issues: 75% Conservative, 25% Liberal

Personal Responsibility: 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal

Fiscal Issues: 75% Conservative, 25% Liberal

Ethics: 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal

Defense and Crime: 75% Conservative, 25% Liberal; May 27, 2010 at 11:43 PM
Muliebrity said...: Full moon! Did anyone shake their wallets?; May 27, 2010 at 11:44 PM
Shannon said...: And on the second quiz I am dead top center of the chart...full on libertarian.

Guess that is why me and AP get along LOL; May 27, 2010 at 11:44 PM
Anonymous said...: How many times do you shake it, Mulie?; May 27, 2010 at 11:45 PM
Muliebrity said...: I have no clue, Bella! Who is in charge of telling us? Margaret?; May 27, 2010 at 11:47 PM
Shannon said...: I think we should start a political movement.

I also think I pissed some peeps off on SIF's BF today. A discussion was started about Obama's speech today asking if it helped unity or division in the political parties. I basically said it out flat....politicians dont give a hoot about the people of America they care about themselves. It is a competition to see who can win between the dems and reps and the best interests of us dont mean shit.

I did though also say that a lot of American's are ignorant sheep who only listen to what they are told and dont think for themselves and said that every adult in this country should read the constitution and learn what their rights really are and see how the govt has abused its power.; May 27, 2010 at 11:48 PM
Anonymous said...: OK, I shook it three times at the moon. It seemed like a reasonable number, and I made Jay do it, too.

Hi Shannon! I would love to jaw politics with you, but I really need to go to bed. Goodnight everyone!; May 27, 2010 at 11:49 PM
Shannon said...: AP just asking you not pressuring or anything did you get the email I sent you a little bit ago? I ask because the first time I sent it it said there was no such email address...too weird.; May 27, 2010 at 11:49 PM
Shannon said...: Night Bella....I am going to hit the sack soon myself....my daughter has her breast reduction consult tomorrow morning....I am NOT looking forward to rush hour traffic.; May 27, 2010 at 11:50 PM
Muliebrity said...: I am a slightly right leaning Libertarian.; May 27, 2010 at 11:51 PM
Jeanette said...: Night Bella!

Shannon, I'm glad you're here! I have been so sick and haven't been around, this is the first I've really felt like chatting at night in awhile. How is school going for you?; May 27, 2010 at 11:51 PM
Lisa said...: Jeanette, I absolutely consider myself to be a fiscal conservative, yes. Money issues are where I get all hard-assed. Public assistance, corporate welfare, etc...no, thanks. I'm also anti-governmental regulation on anything, particularly businesses. I am a huge fan of our Constitution. But, I support abortion rights, gay marriage, gun control (relax, I said control, not banning but it's still a somewhat liberal view), open immigration, Evolution only being taught in schools and think all drugs should be legalized. I'm also a pacifist/isolationist which tends to thrown me in the liberal camp. Also, I'm all about environmental issues...I just don't think they should be regulated; instead, reward them with tax breaks. And speaking of taxes, I support a national sales tax in place of our system of income tax now. I'm all over the place. ;-)

"Marijuana slap on wrist. Would that have done it?"

I don't know. I chose the option for no punishment at all, or whatever it was.; May 27, 2010 at 11:52 PM
Shannon said...: School is going pretty good...I am almost done with the term and think I am going to actually take summer off....I have been going now 5 straight terms and am feeling a little burnt out. Thinking about finding a PT job while doing my volunteering and then starting back up this fall.; May 27, 2010 at 11:53 PM
Muliebrity said...: How big is your daughter, Shannon? My friend had a breast reduction at 16 and it was not pretty.; May 27, 2010 at 11:54 PM
Shannon said...: How is your school life going Jeanette? I havent been on very steady myself lately...come and lurk and then post then get distracted then post then lurk and repeat as needed LOL

How are the girls doin?; May 27, 2010 at 11:54 PM
Shannon said...: Mulie she has at least H cup breasts. She is only 5'5" and those girls are all over in the way. We wanted to do it earlier but just knew she was going to keep growing so we choose to wait. Hopefully things will go smoothly.; May 27, 2010 at 11:55 PM
Erin said...: You Are 30% Conservative, 70% Liberal
Social Issues: 0% Conservative, 100% Liberal

Personal Responsibility: 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal

Fiscal Issues: 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal

Ethics: 0% Conservative, 100% Liberal

Defense and Crime: 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal; May 27, 2010 at 11:55 PM
Lisa said...: Thanks for the reminder about the wallet shaking! I did it wrong last time, which is why it didn't work, I'm sure. I just ran out and did it properly this time - both hands on the wallet and 3 shakes, no more or less. Now I can give an accurate report!; May 27, 2010 at 11:56 PM
KaytieJ said...: Kay - Although I hate the thought of you having to go in again, definitely get your line checked tomorrow. Damn. You just do not need any more complications.

Margaret is the "Shake Your Wallet" authority :-D; May 27, 2010 at 11:56 PM
Sandy said...: Hey all. ::opening my lawn chair and cracking a Schlitz::

How is everyone?; May 27, 2010 at 11:56 PM
Muliebrity said...: So, it's looks like I have gotten the most Conservative results so far.; May 27, 2010 at 11:57 PM
Shannon said...: Ok yep AP and I really do have the same ideas where political views are....for the most part as I know we have vehemently disagreed on some issues :); May 27, 2010 at 11:57 PM
Erin said...: Going out to shake my wallet.
Hi jeanette! Sorry you are feeling icky.; May 27, 2010 at 11:58 PM
PJ said...: Saying hi after a few minutes of lurking.

Fresh air makes one tired. We had Track & Field day and I'm wiped. I was in charge of timers and scorekeepers.

Hi and Bye.; May 27, 2010 at 11:58 PM
Shannon said...: Ok it is 9 and I now have to go to bed...gotta watch a movie with the hubby and take a nap.; May 27, 2010 at 11:59 PM
Muliebrity said...: Shannon, My friends was very disfiguring and I don't know if she would have done it the same way again or not.; May 27, 2010 at 11:59 PM
Sandy said...: EL, is it a full moon! Crap.

AP get your wallet!; May 27, 2010 at 11:59 PM
Lisa said...: "AP just asking you not pressuring or anything did you get the email I sent you a little bit ago? I ask because the first time I sent it it said there was no such email address...too weird."

Shoot, I've not checked email since morning, I'm sorry! I'll go do it now.

Mulie is a hardass. :-D

Jeanette, how can you not judge someone for killing a baby?

"I'm a Libertarian on the other one, a pretty strong one. (Hugs AP hard, smokes a joint, and shoots my gun off into the air)"

Oh, now that's better!

Last time, Margaret said both hands on the wallet and 3 shakes so that's what I did this time. She's the expert and all.; May 27, 2010 at 11:59 PM
KaytieJ said...: My husband is on his way home. I think I will time it to so that he sees me out shaking my wallet at the moon :-D I love it that I know he will laugh and pull his out and join in!
Margaret - does double shaking double the odds or negate the first?; May 28, 2010 at 12:00 AM
Erin said...: Wallet thing better work, b/c I felt like a damn fool! Especially because we are right in the midst of a *major thunderstorm. My girls are already in bed with my husband. Guess i will fend for myself ;); May 28, 2010 at 12:01 AM
Lisa said...: Shannon, what have we disagreed on? I've forgotten.

Hi, CK!

Kaytie, you've got to take the quizzes...; May 28, 2010 at 12:01 AM
Nilia said...: My wallet's in my glove compartment in my van in my driveway. Can I shake my purse instead?; May 28, 2010 at 12:01 AM
KaytieJ said...: sandy - toss me a schlitz. I am out in the front yard waiting to shake my wallet.; May 28, 2010 at 12:02 AM
PJ said...: AP - them's some fighting words.

Answering for me, not for Jeanette - we know there is great disagreement on when an embryo becomes a fetus becomes a baby.

So, some of *us don't necessarily believe, in the early weeks, that abortion "kills a baby".; May 28, 2010 at 12:02 AM
Sandy said...: Um...wallet thing worked for me. Received one check in the amount of $84.00 and another one for $798.00.

Shake them if you got them!; May 28, 2010 at 12:02 AM
Sandy said...: FT get your wallet and shake it. I think it must be a wallet.; May 28, 2010 at 12:04 AM
Nilia said...: The abortion thing's iffy. I mean even a hard-core pro-choice would have a hard time answering that question because s/he wouldn't want to suggest that abortion should be treated lightly and used as birth control. That made me choose the other option because it had the words restricted/discouraged in there which I agree with. I don't agree with illegal but they lumped it all together.; May 28, 2010 at 12:04 AM
Nilia said...: Dammit Sandy. Okay, give me a minute.; May 28, 2010 at 12:06 AM
PJ said...: It's all about the spin, FT. As it is with many issues people disagree strongly about.; May 28, 2010 at 12:06 AM
Nilia said...: My van *should be in my garage but it's busy housing my husband's Matrix which he is selling/not selling. He bought a truck so now we have 3 cars and I want that Matrix gone so I can park in my garage again, dammit.

Okay, off to the driveway. Hope the neighbours aren't looking out their windows.; May 28, 2010 at 12:07 AM
Nilia said...: CK: makes it hard to choose definitively the way that was worded but I had to choose something. Spin is right.; May 28, 2010 at 12:08 AM
Muliebrity said...: I don't feel like that big of a hard-ass.; May 28, 2010 at 12:08 AM
PJ said...: Pro Choice allows everyone to act upon their personal beliefs about when they think life begins.; May 28, 2010 at 12:08 AM
Muliebrity said...: I do feel like a large ass though.; May 28, 2010 at 12:08 AM
Jeanette said...: Shannon, school is going great so far. I'm pulling A's as of now, we'll see after finals!

Hi Erin, and everyone else!

AP, it's not that I don't judge someone for killing a baby. My thinking is that someone who has an abortion doesn't look at it as killing. What I mean is, I don't judge them for feeling different and thinking differently about it than I do. Does that make more sense?

I do believe that at the time of conception, it is a life. Others don't. I don't want to be judged for thinking the way I do, so I won't judge someone else for their beliefs.; May 28, 2010 at 12:10 AM
Lisa said...: But CK, she's the one who said she feels abortion kills babies but she won't judge anyone for having one. I didn't make that up or anything. I'm honestly wondering how a person can *not judge if they really feel it's killing babies.; May 28, 2010 at 12:11 AM
PJ said...: Missed that, AP. Thanks for pointing it out.; May 28, 2010 at 12:12 AM
Muliebrity said...: I am not really sure when life begins so I err on the side of life.; May 28, 2010 at 12:13 AM
Lisa said...: "AP, it's not that I don't judge someone for killing a baby. My thinking is that someone who has an abortion doesn't look at it as killing. What I mean is, I don't judge them for feeling different and thinking differently about it than I do. Does that make more sense?"

Oh, gosh. Honestly? Not really. And shoot, I'm not trying to stir something up but if a person really feels it kills babies, I guess I don't understand how that person can say "But she doesn't think that so it's okay, I won't judge." If someone really thought it was okay to kill 2 month olds, would you still say you'd not judge? I mean, I'm pro-choice all over the place so I'm not looking at this from a pro-life stance at *all. I just don't understand how you can not judge someone for killing a baby (your belief, not stating that as a fact...ack!) simply because they think it's okay.; May 28, 2010 at 12:16 AM
Jeanette said...: Let me clarify, if a person believes like myself, that abortion kills a baby, and does it anyway, then yes. I judge. But if a person feels that until pregnancy reaches a certain point that life has not yet begun, and that early abortions aren't killing, then I don't judge them for feeling differently.

If my best friend decides she isn't ready for a child and has an abortion, that's up to her. I won't hate on her for it. If my daughter comes to me and says she is knocked up and wants to get rid of it, I'll put my foot up her ass and raise my grandbaby.; May 28, 2010 at 12:16 AM
KaytieJ said...: Only for you AP :-D

You Are 45% Conservative, 55% Liberal
Social Issues: 75% Conservative, 25% Liberal

Personal Responsibility: 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal

Fiscal Issues: 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal

Ethics: 0% Conservative, 100% Liberal

Defense and Crime: 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal; May 28, 2010 at 12:16 AM
Lisa said...: Mulie, you're a hard-ass. Own it and enjoy it. :-D; May 28, 2010 at 12:17 AM
Nilia said...: Okay, took wallet, opened it, held with both hands and shook at the full moon 3x. In my driveway. I wanted to do it from the hidden recesses of my garage but figured I might as well do this right.; May 28, 2010 at 12:18 AM
Jeanette said...: I guess I feel that way because I've never seen proof one way or the other whether or not life begins at conception. Late term abortions? No, that's horrible. No way around it. If the baby is obviously alive, then I don't support it at all. But if it's still in the embryo stage and the person doesn't feel as if it is yet a life, then they are doing what they believe. I still don't think it's right, but it's not my call to make.; May 28, 2010 at 12:19 AM
Lisa said...: Oh, Kaytie.
Kaytie.
I shivered me timbers a bit at that.

"Let me clarify, if a person believes like myself, that abortion kills a baby, and does it anyway, then yes. I judge. But if a person feels that until pregnancy reaches a certain point that life has not yet begun, and that early abortions aren't killing, then I don't judge them for feeling differently.

Okay, I'll own that this just makes no sense to me, I'm sorry. :-/; May 28, 2010 at 12:19 AM
Lisa said...: Lol, FT, I was embarrassed, too. I turned out all my outside lights and crept out onto my driveway behind a palmetto. I got a full shot at the moon, though.; May 28, 2010 at 12:21 AM
Jeanette said...: And a 2 month old is obviously a life, ya know? That's the difference I guess.

I used to feel differently about it. I used to think abortion was of the devil and anyone that had one was destined to burn in the fiery pits of hell. Somewhere along the line, I decided that although I knew I could never do it, other women feel it's necessary and that is up to them. I think of all the crack babies that would be tossed in dumpsters and incest babies that would suffer. In a perfect world, that would never happen, but this isn't a perfect world. So even though I hate that abortion has to exist, I understand why it isn't outlawed.; May 28, 2010 at 12:22 AM
Lisa said...: "And a 2 month old is obviously a life, ya know? That's the difference I guess."

Oh, help me out here, Jeanette. So this means you aren't sure it's a baby, a life, until it's born? Because that would make more sense. I swear, I'm not trying to be a pain in the ass.; May 28, 2010 at 12:25 AM
Nilia said...: AP: My potlights were on and I didn't want to go back in the house (door beeps) to turn them off. It didn't matter because that full moon was freaking bright tonight. We had a crazy storm earlier today but right now the skies are really clear.; May 28, 2010 at 12:25 AM
Erin said...: Ft- You have potlights?!?; May 28, 2010 at 12:27 AM
Jeanette said...: Gah, maybe I'm not explaining myself right. I'm floating on percocets, so maybe I'm not making sense.

I believe that life begins at conception. So for me to have an abortion, even though I believe that embryo is a life, would be killing.

Jane Doe doesn't think life begins until the 2nd trimester. She doesn't want a kid yet, so she decides to have an abortion. I might wish she felt differently about it, but I feel I should respect her beliefs and the decisions she makes about her own body.; May 28, 2010 at 12:27 AM
Lisa said...: Ahhh, we're super over-cast so I had a shaded full moon. God, I hope that doesn't screw me. I mean, I could see the whole moon.; May 28, 2010 at 12:27 AM
Nilia said...: Yes, just in the front. They're on a timer and I realized tonight I have no freaking idea what time they go off, my husbands sets the timer.; May 28, 2010 at 12:28 AM
Erin said...: I can see none of the moon. Maybe I need potlights. ;); May 28, 2010 at 12:28 AM
Erin said...: Ft- spotlights or *really potlights? Cuz if they are *really called potlights, my poking fun at you is not going to work!; May 28, 2010 at 12:29 AM
PJ said...: Jeanette,
What I'm hearing is you see the concept of when life begins as a belief, not a fact that can be proven.

So you respect other people's beliefs about it?; May 28, 2010 at 12:30 AM
Jeanette said...: Ok, see if this makes sense. *I* think that life begins at conception. But I don't *know* this for fact. A 2 month old is alive, no way around it. No room for argument.

I guess I am pro-choice. I think it is up to the woman to decide what she believes and what she is comfortable with. I personally believe life starts at conception, therefore I couldn't be okay with having an abortion. But let me confuse you further and say that if my brother raped me, and I became pregnant, I would have an abortion. If I found out at 8 weeks that being pregnant was going to kill me, I would have an abortion. I have 2 other children that need their mother. I would have to put them first.; May 28, 2010 at 12:31 AM
Lisa said...: I just don't get it, Jeanette. I'm sorry. I mean, I understand what you're saying but I just don't understand how you can respect someone's decision to kill a baby, to take a life. How is it any different to her deciding to kill her newborn, this being the case?; May 28, 2010 at 12:31 AM
Nilia said...: EL: nope, potlights for sure. They're under the lip of the roof at the dips, I think there's 5 of them. Spotlights go on the ground right (I think?)? I don't have those.; May 28, 2010 at 12:31 AM
Jeanette said...: And I'll continue to say that if either of those situations ever happened, I would probably hate myself for it forever. I wouldn't be okay with it, but I would do what needed done.; May 28, 2010 at 12:31 AM
Muliebrity said...: I have been thinking a lot about judgement. I judge everyone or at least form an opinion about most people or actions. I don't hold onto these feelings though. I always reserve the right to change my mind. I don't get NOT judging. How does one not judge and is forming an opinion judging?; May 28, 2010 at 12:33 AM
Nilia said...: EL: Okay I'll play along. Let's say I *did have spotlights in my grass aimed at my house (I presume?)? What now? ;0); May 28, 2010 at 12:33 AM
PJ said...: Mulie,
My husband gets mad at me about judging his constant judgement of others.; May 28, 2010 at 12:34 AM
Jeanette said...: Yes CK, that's right.

AP, the difference is that a newborn is a life, no doubt about it. Even though I personally think that life begins when the egg is fertilized, I don't know that for fact. There is still a fraction of doubt because it has never been proven to me. I don't think I should judge someone based just on what I think, because I could be wrong. If I knew for sure, 100%, that life began at conception, I would be more judgmental about it. But I just don't know for sure.; May 28, 2010 at 12:35 AM
KaytieJ said...: Oh, Kaytie.
Kaytie.
I shivered me timbers a bit at that.

Which part? Or the whole thing :-D; May 28, 2010 at 12:36 AM
Jeanette said...: Mulie, I guess everyone does judge to a certain extent. When I say I don't judge someone for having an abortion, I mean that I won't shun them for it. I don't necessarily agree with it, but I won't let that be the deciding factor on how I feel about them as a person.; May 28, 2010 at 12:36 AM
Jeanette said...: I think the reason some have such a hard time understanding another's belief on abortion is because it is such a weighty topic.; May 28, 2010 at 12:39 AM
PJ said...: Kind of like this -

I believe in a divine spiritual power (God, life force, mother earth, love, whatever you want to call it).

SW doesn't.

I'm not going to hold her to behavior that comes along with my spiritual beliefs.

And she's not going to judge me for behavior that comes from her personal beliefs.

(Or if she does, she'll still be my internet friend.); May 28, 2010 at 12:39 AM
Erin said...: FT I thought it was a typo. Pot.Lights. I only have *spot*lights attached to my house. I think if I was to have *pot*lights, I would also need a glow in the dark velvet poster!
Off to bed. Some bed...some where!; May 28, 2010 at 12:40 AM
PJ said...: Pot.Lights. Makes me think of the series Weeds.; May 28, 2010 at 12:41 AM
Muliebrity said...: It was really more a rhetorical question, Jeanette. I wasn't referring to your use of the word "judgement"! I have been on a lot of long drives recently and I tend to mull over odd questions. Like, what is judgement really?; May 28, 2010 at 12:41 AM
Jeanette said...: That's a great example CK. It's easier to understand when it's not about life.; May 28, 2010 at 12:42 AM
Lisa said...: Mulie, I agree...we all judge people.
CK, I don't blame him. :-D

"If I found out at 8 weeks that being pregnant was going to kill me, I would have an abortion. I have 2 other children that need their mother. I would have to put them first."

Okay, and you also say that life begins at conception. See, this is the part I don't get and Lord, I hope I'm not making you mad. Please know I won't mind if you want to just ignore me! I swear, I won't mind. I'm just picking your brain as long as you let me and appreciate you letting me do it. :-) Let's say you've got a 1 day old, a true newborn, and your two older kids. A major flood hits and you've got your two oldest safely in a tree or something but there's no way you can save both the newborn and yourself. You can do one or the other. Do you save the newborn or let it drown so your older kids have their mom? I mean, I'm pro-choice but I'm saving that newborn at my own expense. For me, life started the day it was born and it's my job as a mother to give my life for any of my kids. I don't understand how, if a person feels life begins at conception, they don't view it the same way.; May 28, 2010 at 12:42 AM
Muliebrity said...: "I believe in a divine spiritual power (God, life force, mother earth, love, whatever you want to call it).

SW doesn't.

I'm not going to hold her to behavior that comes along with my spiritual beliefs.

And she's not going to judge me for behavior that comes from her personal beliefs."

I don't judge SW either. I just think she is going to hell. ;-); May 28, 2010 at 12:43 AM
Jeanette said...: Oh I know Mulie, I was just going off of your thought.; May 28, 2010 at 12:43 AM
PJ said...: If there's a proven, scientific fact (like the earth is round), SW and I can argue all we want about it.

But then she can look down upon me with disdain if I insist it's flat. Or at least pity my ignorance.; May 28, 2010 at 12:43 AM
Muliebrity said...: I just didn't want you to think I was picking on you like AP is, Jeanette!; May 28, 2010 at 12:45 AM
Jeanette said...: Oh I'm not getting mad at all AP. You are actually giving me the chance to examine my beliefs, so it's all good.

That is a good question. If there were a flood, I would risk myself to save the baby, no doubt. But I still maintain that if I were 8 weeks and had to choose myself or the baby, I would choose myself. Here's why. If I'm pregnant with a baby that is going to kill me, the baby is going to die too. Then the baby is gone and my other 2 are left without a mother. What good does that do? But if the baby is here and their is a flood and I have to die to save the baby, then at least the baby will live. I have died to save my child. I'm okay with that. I'm not okay with dying and leaving my other children motherless when the baby would be dying too.

If I were in labor and it was me or the baby, and if I died the baby would live, then I would again choose the baby.; May 28, 2010 at 12:48 AM
Nilia said...: Potlights, LOL! Another Canadian/American difference? I thought spotlights were on the ground and aimed up? My potlights are fixed, and aim straight down so they illuminate the outer brick walls of the front of my house. Some of my neighbours have them too.

EL: Do your spotlights move?; May 28, 2010 at 12:50 AM
Jeanette said...: I guess when I first brought up the dying during pregnancy or having an abortion to save my ass, I should have mentioned that the baby would die with me. I know some people are hard core pro-life and would refuse the abortion and just pray the doctors were wrong. I don't think I could take that risk. If a doctor tells me that the 8 week old embryo inside me is going to die and take me with it, I would have to do what they advised.; May 28, 2010 at 12:50 AM
Nilia said...: Me and my potlights (my potlights and I?) are going to bed.

Goodnight.; May 28, 2010 at 12:51 AM
Jeanette said...: AP, when do you think life begins?; May 28, 2010 at 12:52 AM