Happy Thursday!
Thursday, May 27, 2010
The next in our series...
...guess whose rigged up swamp cooler? Yes, swamp cooler. The duct-taped box is a home-made vent system to pull the cool air inside. Genius, even if it's not pretty. Let's see...a clue? Hmmmm. One of our horse-loving Daisies sent this gem in. :-)
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 240 of 240 Newer› Newest»Goodnight FT!
I guess for me, I'm very very against late term abortions.. and really I believe that it's a child from the moment of conception. Mostly because unless you're raped, you had irresponsible sex. Whether it's lack of pills, or lack of condoms, or lack of both. But the person who gets pregnant creates the problem, not the possible child. You choose to have sex, no matter what, you choose it as a risk. I see it a lot like driving a car.
Everytime you drive, you can crash. But if you follow traffic laws, stop at stop lights, wear seat belts you're less likely to have it happen..
No condoms=no seat belt.
No pills=running stop light.
You're making the choice when you have the sex, hey you can do it once.. twice.. maybe 40 times, but sooner or later your going to crash >.< and then the product of that crash, should still have the right to survive Imo..
Ok. rant over.
Also, up there? Their should be there.
"I believe in a divine spiritual power (God, life force, mother earth, love, whatever you want to call it).
SW doesn't.
I'm not going to hold her to behavior that comes along with my spiritual beliefs."
But if you believe it to be real, an absolute, how can you not judge her as being wrong for not believing the same? See, I believe as you do. I believe my creator, and yes, his mate, are very real...but only for me and others who believe as I do. I acknowledge that other *truths*, absolute truths, are out there and others believe them and that they are as true as mine since many paths exist. Including SW's. Life, however, is far more cut and dried, imo. It exists or it doesn't. You believe it does at a certain point, or you don't. You can't believe it exists at conception for Sally, Sue and yourself, yet think it exists at birth for Mary, Macy and Moira because that's what they believe. Does that make sense?
FT - do your potlights hang on the house?
We call those house lights, or sconces.
AP,
It is very real for me, but that doesn't mean it's what other people experience, or that its the one and only way to understand the spiritual world.
Who knows, I could be wrong. I know that. Or "things" might be revealed to me over time that cause me to understand it differently.
As far as 'god the divine.. jojo the ferret i nthe sky" is concerned. I believe I have a purpose, that my life is guided and shaped and protected by something greater than myself. I believe that this 'being' be it god, or whomever truely does love me. I believe that when I die, which is most likely sooner rather than later, I will be safe, I will be happy. I know in my heart that I will be ok no matter, I feel like i'm part of a plan. And maybe because I believe this, I am. But I feel like my existence has a reason, a purpose..
I don't think it exists at birth for Mary, Macy and Moira (Moira?) though. I still think it began at conception. But if they believe it begins at birth, then that is there right. I just think everyone has a right to believe what they want, unless someone can show fact that proves otherwise. So if they want to have a 9th week abortion because they don't believe that life has formed yet, then although I feel differently, I won't hold it against them that they feel the way they do.
I have lots of pot lights and they are basically lights recessed into the ceiling. I have them inside and out.
I don't agree, AP. I think the question of when life begins is not at all cut and dried.
To me it's a spiritual thing, not a factual thing.
That's why it's all called faith - because it can't be proven.
CK: I thought sconces were on walls. My potlights are under the part of the roof that hangs over. They shine straight vertically down. I've never heard them referred to as house lights or sconces, but could be.
We have potlights (much smaller of course) in the house too, family room and basement. Those can be tilted.
Something like this:
http://alexmoulding.com/potlights.html
Look at the picture of the exterior of the house on the right side (last picture).
Yup - potlights here too. I understand now, FT.
I was thinking you were talking about lights attached to the front of the house (on the walls).
Jeanette, I wouldn't do what they do and I, personally, I think they are wrong, but I don't *really hold it against them and leave it up to God to sort it out in the end.
Goodnight, Jeanette!
Really off now, I am taking a colleague's class first thing tomorrow morning because he'll be out at a sports thing, goodnight!
"I just didn't want you to think I was picking on you like AP is, Jeanette!"
I am not! I'm just picking the brain of an intelligent person in hopes of understanding this train of thought a bit more!
"If I were in labor and it was me or the baby, and if I died the baby would live, then I would again choose the baby."
Gotcha. I'm getting this more now as you explain, thank you! I'm still not quite there but I'm piecing it together.
"AP, when do you think life begins?"
With its first breath outside the womb.
I also think that the choice to have an abortion is more than just thinking that it's not life, so that's why the individual does it. Most of the time I believe they are deciding if it is *right for their life, not if it's *morally wrong.
I think CK and I are about on the same page with this. If someone could prove to me, without any room for doubt, that life does not begin until say week 12, then I would have no problem with abortions up to that point.
I don't understand the belief that life doesn't begin until birth. I had many ultrasounds with Ella and got to see her practice breathing, suck her finger, pee, move around. How is that not life?
I can understand the doubt up until a certain point. I don't know it to be true myself. I don't know when "life" actually starts, so I err on the side of caution and say it begins at birth. Others might feel it begins when the heart starts beating, or when the brain forms. I can understand the differing opinions about that. But at 7 months gestation, how is that not life?
"With its first breath outside the womb."
Really?
I love an educational debate AP, so anytime!
Can you explain why you feel it begins at birth? I've always wondered about this belief but have never had the chance to ask someone why they think that. You don't think a baby 2 weeks from the due date is considered a life?
So even if that breath comes at 21 weeks, and the baby passes away it was a baby? So say we can prove that at ..16 weeks a baby can take a single breath, then to you it's a live.. ok.. i guess I'm going to counter argue I've been put on life support a few times, and my heart beating but i'm not longer breathing on my own. Can we argue I'm no longer alive?
How about the word viability? For me, that is important.
It breaks my heart to see tiny, premature babies who are not able to live outside their mother, being put on life support, and subjected to lives of pain and suffering.
I think the nine months is on purpose - or with medical advances maybe 7 months now - that God really never intended for a 1 or 2 lb premie to survive.
Sorry ;p I'm just really curious how being able to breathe qualifies you as alive but having a heart beat doesn't. I'm feisty tonight, so don't take it as snark..
*goes back to corner, chews on swedish fish*
"I know in my heart that I will be ok no matter, I feel like i'm part of a plan. And maybe because I believe this, I am. But I feel like my existence has a reason, a purpose.."
I agree, Kay. Mostly with the part that says that maybe because you believe this...I think that just feeling like we have a purpose actually gives us one. :-)
"I don't agree, AP. I think the question of when life begins is not at all cut and dried.
To me it's a spiritual thing, not a factual thing."
I think that scientifically, it is cut and dried. Absolute. We just don't know what that is yet and we may never. But I don't, not for a minute, think it varies per person. The only thing that varies is everyone's ideas on it all.
"Jeanette, I wouldn't do what they do and I, personally, I think they are wrong, but I don't *really hold it against them and leave it up to God to sort it out in the end."
Mulie, would you feel that way if they were killing newborns?
Mulie, you have young children at home, right? If when you very first found out you were pregnant, the doctor told you that something was wrong with your baby and carrying on with the pregnancy would kill both you and the baby, what would you do? And remember, I mean at the very beginning, like maybe 6-8 weeks, not as far along as you are now.
And if you don't think you can answer that considering how far along you are, that's completely okay too.
Out of battery. Off to bed.
I appreciate talking about this everyone.
Night CK!
I am one of those screwballs that would probably NOT have the abortion. Not because I am some holy rolling miracle seeker, but because the professionals are not always right and life has a way of working. I would probably fight it until it was *clear I was in danger.
"Mulie, would you feel that way if they were killing newborns?"
And this is where I just have to fall into pro-life. I think it is wrong, but I also know I shouldn't be responsible for paying for someone else's kids. You have to be willing to support the *unwanted if you are going to insist that they be born.
This is where I try and be consistent and announce I am opposed to the death penalty. You can't have it both ways, IMO.
I support adoption... I say that if every abortion was a possible adoption, we'd have kids in the hands of people who TRUELY loved the child. >.< I'm a psycho, but I believe with my whole heart that adoption is always an option.. so many couples could offer a life that child never gets to have, when the mother aborts.
I just had a friend I haven't seen in years confess that she has a relationship with a baby she gave up for adoption 21 years ago.
I also fully support sleep, and my eyes are almost rolling into the back of my head. Definetly bed time.
I agree, they aren't always right. And if actually put in the situation, I would have to do a lot of research about the condition before I agreed. If after research and consideration I was relatively sure that the doctors were correct, I would do what they suggested.
Of course all of this is speculation. Thankfully, both my children are healthy and I've never had to make a call like that. And since I don't plan on having any more, I shouldn't ever have to. And I don't think a person can be absolutely sure of what they would do until actually put in that position.
Goodnight Kay, thanks for contributing! lol.
Guys, I'm exhausted and can't think any more tonight. Am off to stick a new post up in a bit and head to bed. I'll go back over stuff tomorrow and respond. And thanks again, Jeanette. :-)
Goodnight!
That's tough. Another friend recently confided that she had a daughter with severe Turner's syndrom and she was in no way shape or form was going to survive pregnancy. Her doctor didn't want to take any chances with her health, so he suggested inducing her at 23 weeks. She was torn because she felt like she was killing her baby doing that. The morning of the induction the baby had no heartbeat and she was able to have the baby in peace. If there is peace in that situation.
I guess I'll turn in too. It's been a great convo though! I'll check in the morning to see if there are any more replies. Goodnight everyone!
Ahh, great minds think alike AP... lol. Goodnight!
Goodnight all!
We bought $300 worth of plants and trees at Lowe's tonight and I need to finish up my Census work tomorrow. And get my hair cut and colored.
Oh my gosh Mulie, I can't even imagine. That would be awful to even go through, but at the same time, it kept her from forever dealing with guilt not knowing if she did the right thing.
Really going this time. Sleep tight Daisies.
** new post and goodnight! **
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