Good morning, all. Sorry I haven't checked in for awhile. I've been busy snorting daisies and hating men, among other low-life type things.
Seriously, I've been digging my way out of the dark hole I seem to fall into every year around the time of my late son's birthday. Many thanks to those who were kind and thoughtful and sent me an email to see how I'm doing. I appreciate it. I've been reading along. This place makes me laugh, even when I don't feel like laughing. So thank you ALL.
I am doing better, thanks. Took a couple of extra days off work just to rest. I've been so freakin' exhausted lately. Rest is helping. So is the (sometimes) warmer weather.
Sounds like you and LM are doing great. You're such a great Mom - it always shines through your words. Somehow, I can't see you jetting off to Kenya (or to anywhere for long) and leaving your little guy.
No Jae - he is such a cool kid, polite, sweet and curious that if I went anywhere, I would have to take him. Seeing things through a childs' eyes is really awesome. I wish more parents would take the time and let the kids figure things out for themselves sometimes.
Thanks! Those words mean so much.
AP gave me some ideas that I have brewing about possibly going to nursing homes just to "visit". It would benefit me greatly but I think it would be good for LM also.
That's a great idea about the nursing home visits, Kristin.
When my much loved grandfather was in a nursing home (still very mentally alert but physically declining - he was in his 80's), I used to take my son several times a week to visit. He was around 4-5 at the time. He never forgot those visits. Never forgot his great-grandpa. I have a story about that. I'll post it in a few.
Jae - I have a story too about a lady I met while i was volunteering at a shelter when the hurricane's hit - Rita and Katrina. Miss Thelma - and she was in her 90's - anywho, she was in the shelter and Adult Protective Services put her in a nursing home. She HATED it but I would visit about twice a week - she was such a character.
I have started a post about that but haven't finished.
When my grandfather died, my oldest son was 9 years old. Second son was 4 years. We were in the midst of making funeral arrangements and my little boys were sitting on the front porch, talking together. Front door was open and I was keeping an eye on them and listening to their conversation. It went something like this...
YS (Younger Son): But where did grandpa go? What is dead?
OS (Older son): It's sort of like...do you remember going to the ocean and Daddy helping us find clams? Remember, Daddy opened the clams and scooped out the inside and threw the shells back in the water?
YS: He said the good part was inside.
OS: That's right. That's sort of like dying. When someone dies, the good part inside goes to heaven. The other part - the outside part - isn't much good anymore then. So the good part of grandpa is in heaven now.
That's the short version. I shared that story, with a few more details, at my son's funeral. To know that he could think that way at 9 years old, still blows me away.
Hope that didn't bring anyone down. That wasn't my intention at ALL. Just a sweet story about two brothers and their grandpa's death.
Yes, he was a smart little fella - full of love. But most kids who have been loved a lot, have a lot of love to give. That's one of the wonderful things about kids.
I should get off here and take a shower and maybe go to the grocery store if I can figure out what I need to buy. I'm all out of ideas for dinner.
Good morning and Jae, that was a beautiful story to read first thing in the morning. Far from bring me down, it gave me my first smile of the day and thanks for sharing it. :-) It's good to see you, too...have been thinking of you and am glad you were at least lurking.
Hey AP - LM was dry this morning! I thought he would be wet b/c I didn't wake him up in the middle of the night, just at 11ish but I guess that was all he needed.
He got 3 marbles!
He also was in a great mood this morning.
He called me into his room this morning - and when I got there, he said "I awake!"
Ann- Congratulations! I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you!
Kristin- Yay for good mornings :)
FT & CK- Wow. That's one more reason why I can't be a teacher. I wouldn't be able to deal with these kids peacefully.
I think I've found the most offensive post ever. I seriously want to poke this woman with something sharp, give her a lobotomy and then send her to an asylum:
CK: I think I've found the most offensive post ever. I seriously want to poke this woman with something sharp, give her a lobotomy and then send her to an asylum
I tried to read a bit of it, I was trying to figure out why her husband was beat - maybe he made some ignorant judgemental comment to one of the border patrol agents...
Oh, *that's the same woman? I read her blog ages ago about that. Well, I think we all need to friend her. If we're really lucky, she'll come play with us. For the record, I side with her about gays and IVF so we'd have some common ground. *nods*
Lord, that's just sad as hell. And lazy. If you get the URL wrong, why not take the 5 minutes and open a new one so it's right? Not the brightest little star in the sky, is she?
Kristin, if memory serves, he got all asshole-ish with border patrol and things escalated badly. Dogs hit on his car for something and they requested to search his car. He refused, citing his right to not be searched without a warrant and it went south from there. Let me see if I can find the story.
AP- I'm pro-IVF but not at all costs (e.g. I don't think a 45 year-old woman should be allowed to resort to IVF to have a child because it would be selfish of her to give birth at that age, etc.)
Morning everybody! I'm so glad it's Friday, and I've managed to limp through another week. Not a stellar week. I barely got anything done at work, but sometimes just getting by is good enough.
It was good to see Jae checking in today. I'm glad you are coming out of your dark time.
I'm definitely not. I'm up for an open marriage or swinging even. But Corinne, you are too young for us. And CK said we can't adopt you. So there's that.
Oh, lordy, let me add that while I said I'm anti-IVF (all fertility treatments, actually), I'd not actively try to have doctors stop doing it. I just think it's wrong but it's not my place to think I should be able to make that decision for the whole world. I figure everyone will be answerable for their own actions in the end.
SW, in my opinion, God makes no mistakes. Everything is for a reason and it's not our place to second-guess Him or decide He made a mistake we have to correct. If someone can't bear biological children, I believe God has a legitimate reason, maybe many, for making it so and that should be respected.
"In my opinion, God makes no mistakes. Everything is for a reason and it's not our place to second-guess Him or decide He made a mistake we have to correct. If someone can't bear biological children, I believe God has a legitimate reason, maybe many, for making it so and that should be respected."
This is going to send me to therapy. What the heck, AP? By this logic, we shouldn't treat people for cancer, because God had a reason to give cancer to them.
Lol, SW! Yeah, I don't think my adoptive mom would be too pleased with me being involved in a threesome with you and AP :P
AP- It doesn't come as a shock, indeed :-) I'm pro-choice, pro fertility treatments and pro-vaccines. All of these come with conditions though. I don't think abortion should be used as a substitute for birth control, I'm against some vaccines (HPV, chicken pox...Those vaccines are questionable) and fertility treatments should be used to help people with real fertility issues and not single women over 40 who desperately want a child out of selfishness, etc...
Fair enough, Corinne. :-) I'll never say I'm right with what I believe, only that I firmly and deeply believe it and it's right to me. I know many disagree...that's part of what makes life interesting.
Lol, SW, I've felt this way my entire adult life. Robin can tell you I've been consistent for years, much to the aggravation of many people in many places. I honestly don't see it as being a nutjob at all, though, if one really believes in God. Now, I know you don't lean that way so I get why you'd think differently. And be nice or I'll ban your ass.
AP- "In my opinion, God makes no mistakes. Everything is for a reason and it's not our place to second-guess Him or decide He made a mistake we have to correct. If someone can't bear biological children, I believe God has a legitimate reason, maybe many, for making it so and that should be respected."
I think that we have very different conceptions of God, hence differing opinions on IVF, etc.
I don't conceive God as all powerful. I think he created the world and then let it be. He is not the cause of our suffering. Bad things happen because people make choices and, in the case of diseases and infertility, very often for no reason at all. He is, however, an all loving God. He will listen to our prayers. He might have no power to make them come true (as He made the choice to let man be free) but He will bring comfort.
So do you think people with cancer should just accept their fate as determined by God? When Jake is sick, don't you take him to the doctor? Where do you draw the line?
And what is your religion anyway?
::starting to think we should have talked about this stuff before we got engaged::
A lot of cancer though is due to the environment - smoking, chemicals in the soil, etc. I don't think that God gave a person cancer, I think that the environment that the person resides in has caused gene mutations in some cases.
I know that infertility can also be caused by environmental factors also.
I dunno, just thinking out loud - as I really have no idea on what AP is thinking :)
Very interesting conversation going on this afternoon!
AP-Considering your stated stance on IVF etc, what are views on birth control? I surmise that you would be anti-birth control however I don't want to put words in your mouth.
I went to that ladies blog you posted Corinne...fine example of what irks me about some Christians right there...mind you I did NOT say all Christians I said SOME.
Now I dont believe in God so I guess this whole concept of God makes us infertile and gives us cancer is a moot point.
However do you know how hard it was for me to not comment on her blog about her out right saying all "fags" are child molesters???!!!! Most child molesters are straight married men who have a propensity to go after their little relatives or neighbors. Why is it that these ignorant fools like her seem to think things like molestation and rape have anything at all to do with sex or sexual preference? GRRRRR
I read that you were trying that-I'm interested to see how it turns out. I think I usually add water to my roasts when I do them in the crock pot so they end up being too wet-if that makes sense.
Nice out here as well. Too bad I'm stuck inside. I heard that we're going to be getting temps in the 70s by Sunday.
Now I want to make a roast to, Kristin! I have a hard time making myself go to the grocery store on Friday afternoons though. They are so crowded, ya know?
"AP- I think it's cool to have people with different takes on things. Makes life interesting =)"
Corinne, I agree! I love discussing stuff like this with people and learning how everyone views it. I do think God is all-powerful in that He created our world and has the power to end it. I also think He created our world and us in a constant state of evolution, so that we adapt to our given environment. will say, I believe in God because I like having a "human" face on it, purely a comfort factor. But to me, God is really nothing more than natural-earth science (being all corny here, think Mother Nature) that I happen to believe has many mystical and emotional qualities qualities we can't begin to grasp yet. Anyway, as a result, sometimes certain lines need to be stopped, they need to become extinct as they are not going to be well-suited for our future needs. I think this applies to people, animals, plants, everything. This is why I think infertility treatments are wrong, just as I think man interfering to save aspects of nature from extinction is wrong. Just because we don't understand it or like it doesn't mean we should stop it or "correct" it.
AP - so even if animals/plants become extinct due to man made selfishness, we shouldn't *try to sustain it.
Chocolate for example is from cocoa beans - grown in tropical climates - rain forests, which are being depleted at an alarming rate due to deforestation - some things I think are worth fighting for :)
"This is going to send me to therapy. What the heck, AP? By this logic, we shouldn't treat people for cancer, because God had a reason to give cancer to them.
Please say you're just yanking my chain."
Nah, no chain-yanking although in different circumstances, that could be fun. ;-) I'm all for treatment of anything if it's natural. Pull it out of the earth, scrape it off a tree, soak in it, whatever...it's good. I think our earth supplies everything we need, and in its natural state, to continue on as we are intended to. If you can't find a cure there, it's not meant to be cured, imo.
Nope, not a friend of AP's. I had stopped by last week (I think it was last week-maybe the week before) during Bella's bra washing discussion. I lurk daily though...
Corinne that woman made me feel violent for sure. I would like to smack her with a bible to be honest with ya....she claims Christianity but her behavior and words come across as anything but being a Christian.
"So do you think people with cancer should just accept their fate as determined by God? When Jake is sick, don't you take him to the doctor? Where do you draw the line?"
No, typically, we don't use doctors. I would take him if he asked to go but he sees it all pretty much as I do. I don't mind going for broken bones, eyeglasses, stitches, crap like that. Comfort and convenience things as opposed to potentially life-altering things.
"And what is your religion anyway?"
Ehh, no real name for it. Just old-fashioned mountain beliefs...heavily Native American influenced. It's how I was raised to a great degree and still makes sense to me. :-)
Kristin, I'm starting to get over my cold. How about you? I have no social events on my calendar this weekend, and am very happy about that. Other than making the roast you've got me craving, I don't plan any cooking.
The next Supper Club still isn't on the calendar, and I fussed at the host about that yesterday. My work spouse has a new g/f, and I might be cooking dinner for her next weekend, but not sure yet. I'm excited about meeting her. I think she could be his best wife yet! (He's had two, and he's just 31.)
"I dunno, just thinking out loud - as I really have no idea on what AP is thinking :)"
Thanks there, Kristin...lol!
SW, I'm no Scientologist. They skeer me a little bit but I don't disagree with some of their thoughts on medical things. Thoughts on other things? Um. Not so much.
Hi, Melissa, good to see you again. It does sound like you're close to me. Brevard County?
"So no chemotherapy for Jake if he gets leukemia, AP? Really?"
It's his call now. He's grown and can make his own decisions. I'll support him in whatever he'd choose but my choice would have been no. Really.
And I wasn't avoiding anything, I just hadn't gotten there yet! Now, you know me better than to think I avoid anything. No, not Wiccan although some aspects are similar, both being very earth-centric.
I have to log off for now but I have some thoughts to add to this topic. Particularly what you said, AP, concerning God being the laws of nature. I have some issues with God being an *anthropomorphic entity myself, mostly because that would mean God is gender determined and I don't believe that to be true. I don't equal God and the laws of nature either but more on that later ;-)
KJ, it is...I'm awfully glad you finally jumped in! I was wondering where you were. Y'all, I've known her for what? 13 years now? She's alright. *nods*
Melissa, that's very cool...we're sort of neighbors. :-)
LOL well dont see us as anything more then really smart animals who have managed to evolve from nothingness. I think that man created the idea of God as a means of shifting the power to something bigger and that man created Satan as a means of shifting the blame....like it isnt my fault the devil made me do it.
Shannon is correct about God, for those who want to keep score. ;-)
Melissa, I'm in a Supper Club with three other people. We meet once a month, but skipped February because the host is being a slacker, at one of the four members' houses, and the host cooks dinner. We try and outdo each other, which makes it fun and interesting.
SW-that sounds really fun. I love having people over and cooking new stuff. Are the people in your Supper Club friends of yours? I'm curious as to how you got involved or how the Club got started. Maybe there'e something like that in my area.
Everyone is welcome! The only real rules here are no spamming shit and no posting personal addresses, phone numbers or other similar info. I don't need that kind of stress. That's it, although it could change if someone gets creative or something. If you don't like what is said here, you can: 1) Say so; 2) Hold it in and stew on it; 3. Address it privately to the person who said it; 4) Snark about it to your friends; 5) Leave. Don't bother me with it, I don't care and I won't get involved. I might, however, talk about you behind your back or post your email/message to me on here. *grins*
Them's the rules...all of them.
Have fun!
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Also, CK, take your time but I'd really enjoy hearing your thoughts about shame.
I think I might be soon to bed. We shall see. If so, goodnight, Daisies. And where the heck are Jae and Trudy?
Morning ladies!
Off to go throw stuff in the crockpot, make lunch and get ready!
I giggled on AP's comment but I know what she was talking about!
Off to check AP's blog to see what amazing sexual experience she had with Kristin.
Ooooh - Kristin sent AP an African and AP has denounced her lesbian ways and engaged in a heated, passionate roll in the hay with him.
FT - it was great fun commiserating with you last night about the *joys of teaching.
And with that, off to my little ones.
Everyone, have a day - it's FRIDAY!!!!
CK - that is funny!
Have a great day!
Yes, it is Friday!
woo hoo!
alright, off to get LM dressed and out the door!
Good morning, all. Sorry I haven't checked in for awhile. I've been busy snorting daisies and hating men, among other low-life type things.
Seriously, I've been digging my way out of the dark hole I seem to fall into every year around the time of my late son's birthday. Many thanks to those who were kind and thoughtful and sent me an email to see how I'm doing. I appreciate it. I've been reading along. This place makes me laugh, even when I don't feel like laughing. So thank you ALL.
Hey Jae! Glad you popped in!
I've missed you!
Sorry things were rough! I hope you are doing better!
{{{HUGS}}}
Hey Kristin and (((HUGS)))) back at'cha.
I am doing better, thanks. Took a couple of extra days off work just to rest. I've been so freakin' exhausted lately. Rest is helping. So is the (sometimes) warmer weather.
Sounds like you and LM are doing great. You're such a great Mom - it always shines through your words. Somehow, I can't see you jetting off to Kenya (or to anywhere for long) and leaving your little guy.
No Jae - he is such a cool kid, polite, sweet and curious that if I went anywhere, I would have to take him. Seeing things through a childs' eyes is really awesome. I wish more parents would take the time and let the kids figure things out for themselves sometimes.
Thanks! Those words mean so much.
AP gave me some ideas that I have brewing about possibly going to nursing homes just to "visit". It would benefit me greatly but I think it would be good for LM also.
That's a great idea about the nursing home visits, Kristin.
When my much loved grandfather was in a nursing home (still very mentally alert but physically declining - he was in his 80's), I used to take my son several times a week to visit. He was around 4-5 at the time. He never forgot those visits. Never forgot his great-grandpa. I have a story about that. I'll post it in a few.
Jae - I have a story too about a lady I met while i was volunteering at a shelter when the hurricane's hit - Rita and Katrina. Miss Thelma - and she was in her 90's - anywho, she was in the shelter and Adult Protective Services put her in a nursing home. She HATED it but I would visit about twice a week - she was such a character.
I have started a post about that but haven't finished.
Sounds like a great story!
Okay, I'll try and keep this as short as I can.
When my grandfather died, my oldest son was 9 years old. Second son was 4 years. We were in the midst of making funeral arrangements and my little boys were sitting on the front porch, talking together. Front door was open and I was keeping an eye on them and listening to their conversation. It went something like this...
YS (Younger Son): But where did grandpa go? What is dead?
OS (Older son): It's sort of like...do you remember going to the ocean and Daddy helping us find clams? Remember, Daddy opened the clams and scooped out the inside and threw the shells back in the water?
YS: He said the good part was inside.
OS: That's right. That's sort of like dying. When someone dies, the good part inside goes to heaven. The other part - the outside part - isn't much good anymore then. So the good part of grandpa is in heaven now.
That's the short version. I shared that story, with a few more details, at my son's funeral. To know that he could think that way at 9 years old, still blows me away.
Hope that didn't bring anyone down. That wasn't my intention at ALL. Just a sweet story about two brothers and their grandpa's death.
That is a sweet story Jae! That is wise at 9.
Yes, he was a smart little fella - full of love. But most kids who have been loved a lot, have a lot of love to give. That's one of the wonderful things about kids.
I should get off here and take a shower and maybe go to the grocery store if I can figure out what I need to buy. I'm all out of ideas for dinner.
Hope Friday is terrific for everyone.
Bye Jae! Get something good! Have a great day! :)
Morning girls!
Morning HiT!
Good morning and Jae, that was a beautiful story to read first thing in the morning. Far from bring me down, it gave me my first smile of the day and thanks for sharing it. :-) It's good to see you, too...have been thinking of you and am glad you were at least lurking.
CK, where do you come up with this stuff? ;-)
Kristin, how did LM do?
Happy Friday, everyone.
Hiya, HiT...I always seem to miss you!
Hey AP - LM was dry this morning! I thought he would be wet b/c I didn't wake him up in the middle of the night, just at 11ish but I guess that was all he needed.
He got 3 marbles!
He also was in a great mood this morning.
He called me into his room this morning - and when I got there, he said "I awake!"
I like good mornings!
How are you today? How does the house smell?
Hey AP! Good to see you!
Kristin: Yeah for LM!
Hi all!
Ann- Congratulations! I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you!
Kristin- Yay for good mornings :)
FT & CK- Wow. That's one more reason why I can't be a teacher. I wouldn't be able to deal with these kids peacefully.
I think I've found the most offensive post ever. I seriously want to poke this woman with something sharp, give her a lobotomy and then send her to an asylum:
http://stevenandersonfamily.blogspot.com/2008/09/another-fag-using-ivf-to-have-baby_24.html
CK: I think I've found the most offensive post ever. I seriously want to poke this woman with something sharp, give her a lobotomy and then send her to an asylum
I second that!
For a pastor's wife, she sounds quite bitter and judgemental.
Good Morning Ladies.
Corinne, that post...WTF!
We are finally getting some decent weather here. Charging the iPod and going for a walk after I drop my little guy off at school.
HiT- I think judegemental is an understatement!!
Sandy- Yeah. WTF describes the post pretty well.
That was my thought - judge much?
WOW! Just wow!
I'm off to a meeting. Will be back later.
"No comments on this post. I don't care what all you fag-loving liberals think, I wish you would stop reading my blog anyway."
And that? Was enough to make me a follower. :-D
I hope she appreciates me.
nice AP!
I tried to read a bit of it, I was trying to figure out why her husband was beat - maybe he made some ignorant judgemental comment to one of the border patrol agents...
I will have to watch the clips from home.
""No comments on this post. I don't care what all you fag-loving liberals think, I wish you would stop reading my blog anyway."
And that? Was enough to make me a follower. :-D
I hope she appreciates me."
AP- I think I love you. I hope SW isn't the jealous type ;-)
Oh, *that's the same woman? I read her blog ages ago about that. Well, I think we all need to friend her. If we're really lucky, she'll come play with us. For the record, I side with her about gays and IVF so we'd have some common ground. *nods*
Has anyone seen this site:
ilovemckmamma.blogspot.com
She set it up so people could "talk nice about Mck mama".
Corinne, I think SW is getting tired of me. We might need to talk. ;-)
So why was he beaten? Do you know?
ilovemckmamma.blogspot.com
Lord, that's just sad as hell. And lazy. If you get the URL wrong, why not take the 5 minutes and open a new one so it's right? Not the brightest little star in the sky, is she?
I know, AP. That one cracked me up!
:( I'm going to have to fight corinne for you! lol
Another gem from that fundie's blog:
"are male ob/gyn perverts
Yes, yes, and yes."
Seriously? Some of the most prominents ob/gyn's in the world are men.
I go to a male ob/gyn and have no issues with that, whatsoever.
Sheesh. This woman is batshit crazy.
I too go/went to a male gyn, although my OB was female.
Kristin, if memory serves, he got all asshole-ish with border patrol and things escalated badly. Dogs hit on his car for something and they requested to search his car. He refused, citing his right to not be searched without a warrant and it went south from there. Let me see if I can find the story.
AP- I'm pro-IVF but not at all costs (e.g. I don't think a 45 year-old woman should be allowed to resort to IVF to have a child because it would be selfish of her to give birth at that age, etc.)
Morning everybody! I'm so glad it's Friday, and I've managed to limp through another week. Not a stellar week. I barely got anything done at work, but sometimes just getting by is good enough.
It was good to see Jae checking in today. I'm glad you are coming out of your dark time.
The story.
http://www.abc15.com/content/news/centralsouthernarizona/tucson/story/Tempe-pastor-Border-Patrol-beat-him-at-checkpoint/FYxzzCRcnUehq5uY8nZXHQ.cspx
A video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUzd7G875Hc
An update video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4eR1nwFUEw&feature=channel
Jesus would be so proud. *eyeroll*
Corinne, I'm anti-IVF for everyone and under any circumstances. I doubt that comes as a shock to anyone, though. ;-)
"I hope SW isn't the jealous type ;-)"
I'm definitely not. I'm up for an open marriage or swinging even. But Corinne, you are too young for us. And CK said we can't adopt you. So there's that.
Anti-IVF for everyone and under any circumstances, AP? Okay, I'm interested. Why on earth?
Oh, lordy, let me add that while I said I'm anti-IVF (all fertility treatments, actually), I'd not actively try to have doctors stop doing it. I just think it's wrong but it's not my place to think I should be able to make that decision for the whole world. I figure everyone will be answerable for their own actions in the end.
SW, in my opinion, God makes no mistakes. Everything is for a reason and it's not our place to second-guess Him or decide He made a mistake we have to correct. If someone can't bear biological children, I believe God has a legitimate reason, maybe many, for making it so and that should be respected.
"In my opinion, God makes no mistakes. Everything is for a reason and it's not our place to second-guess Him or decide He made a mistake we have to correct. If someone can't bear biological children, I believe God has a legitimate reason, maybe many, for making it so and that should be respected."
This is going to send me to therapy. What the heck, AP? By this logic, we shouldn't treat people for cancer, because God had a reason to give cancer to them.
Please say you're just yanking my chain.
Lol, SW! Yeah, I don't think my adoptive mom would be too pleased with me being involved in a threesome with you and AP :P
AP- It doesn't come as a shock, indeed :-)
I'm pro-choice, pro fertility treatments and pro-vaccines. All of these come with conditions though. I don't think abortion should be used as a substitute for birth control, I'm against some vaccines (HPV, chicken pox...Those vaccines are questionable) and fertility treatments should be used to help people with real fertility issues and not single women over 40 who desperately want a child out of selfishness, etc...
"Well, everything certainly got quiet after I said *that. :-D"
Probably because everyone's wondering whether the "moderator curse" has hit and turned you into a nutjob!
Fair enough, Corinne. :-) I'll never say I'm right with what I believe, only that I firmly and deeply believe it and it's right to me. I know many disagree...that's part of what makes life interesting.
Lol, SW, I've felt this way my entire adult life. Robin can tell you I've been consistent for years, much to the aggravation of many people in many places. I honestly don't see it as being a nutjob at all, though, if one really believes in God. Now, I know you don't lean that way so I get why you'd think differently. And be nice or I'll ban your ass.
AP- "In my opinion, God makes no mistakes. Everything is for a reason and it's not our place to second-guess Him or decide He made a mistake we have to correct. If someone can't bear biological children, I believe God has a legitimate reason, maybe many, for making it so and that should be respected."
I think that we have very different conceptions of God, hence differing opinions on IVF, etc.
I don't conceive God as all powerful. I think he created the world and then let it be. He is not the cause of our suffering. Bad things happen because people make choices and, in the case of diseases and infertility, very often for no reason at all.
He is, however, an all loving God. He will listen to our prayers. He might have no power to make them come true (as He made the choice to let man be free) but He will bring comfort.
AP- I think it's cool to have people with different takes on things. Makes life interesting =)
You are *not going to ban me. (She said bravely.)
So do you think people with cancer should just accept their fate as determined by God? When Jake is sick, don't you take him to the doctor? Where do you draw the line?
And what is your religion anyway?
::starting to think we should have talked about this stuff before we got engaged::
I kinda get where AP is coming from.
A lot of cancer though is due to the environment - smoking, chemicals in the soil, etc. I don't think that God gave a person cancer, I think that the environment that the person resides in has caused gene mutations in some cases.
I know that infertility can also be caused by environmental factors also.
I dunno, just thinking out loud - as I really have no idea on what AP is thinking :)
OMG, is AP a Scientologist? Because I wouldn't mind having dinner with John Travolta and his wife. They seem very nice.
Very interesting conversation going on this afternoon!
AP-Considering your stated stance on IVF etc, what are views on birth control? I surmise that you would be anti-birth control however I don't want to put words in your mouth.
Oh, and the salesman just offended me - apparently the high tech color copier can't be operated by a female - ugghh!
Hello Melissa!
WOW I walked into the thick of it today didnt I?
I went to that ladies blog you posted Corinne...fine example of what irks me about some Christians right there...mind you I did NOT say all Christians I said SOME.
Now I dont believe in God so I guess this whole concept of God makes us infertile and gives us cancer is a moot point.
However do you know how hard it was for me to not comment on her blog about her out right saying all "fags" are child molesters???!!!! Most child molesters are straight married men who have a propensity to go after their little relatives or neighbors. Why is it that these ignorant fools like her seem to think things like molestation and rape have anything at all to do with sex or sexual preference? GRRRRR
Good Morning AP! And hello to all the wonderful "daisy sniffing/scrolling lowlife/nolife" gals!
Morning Melissa and Kaytie...I think they all ran off.
Hey KaytieJ - welcome! You must be AP's "Kay" friend!
Hi Shannon and Kristin. Is it 5 o'clock yet?
How I wish!
I have a roast in the crock (almost said SW's Roast in the crock - and that just sounds wrong) and it is a gorgeous day!
I want to be done with the day.
LOL here on the west side the day has hardly begun LOL
Hi KaytieJ and Melissa! Welcome :)
Shannon- I can't read that woman's blog for more than 2 min. It makes me want to be *very* violent!
Hi KaytieJ! Are you AP's friend? If so, warm welcome to ya! (If not, still welcome, but maybe a wee bit less warm.)
I think I ran AP off by being judgmental. It's my worst character trait, no contest.
Hi to Melissa also.
Thank you Shannon and Kristin...yes to being AP's friend. :::Still blushing from her intro::: Enjoying the conversation immensely!
I read that you were trying that-I'm interested to see how it turns out. I think I usually add water to my roasts when I do them in the crock pot so they end up being too wet-if that makes sense.
Nice out here as well. Too bad I'm stuck inside. I heard that we're going to be getting temps in the 70s by Sunday.
Now I want to make a roast to, Kristin! I have a hard time making myself go to the grocery store on Friday afternoons though. They are so crowded, ya know?
to = too
and where are you Melissa?
Kristin-I'm in Florida on the East Coast. You're in TX right?
Yup!
Melissa - are you also a friend of AP's?
Geesh SW - I think you need to go make up with AP so she will come back out and play.
Nah, AP did not run off. She's just getting supplies stocked up to hunker down for more conversation with you :-D
"AP- I think it's cool to have people with different takes on things. Makes life interesting =)"
Corinne, I agree! I love discussing stuff like this with people and learning how everyone views it. I do think God is all-powerful in that He created our world and has the power to end it. I also think He created our world and us in a constant state of evolution, so that we adapt to our given environment. will say, I believe in God because I like having a "human" face on it, purely a comfort factor. But to me, God is really nothing more than natural-earth science (being all corny here, think Mother Nature) that I happen to believe has many mystical and emotional qualities qualities we can't begin to grasp yet. Anyway, as a result, sometimes certain lines need to be stopped, they need to become extinct as they are not going to be well-suited for our future needs. I think this applies to people, animals, plants, everything. This is why I think infertility treatments are wrong, just as I think man interfering to save aspects of nature from extinction is wrong. Just because we don't understand it or like it doesn't mean we should stop it or "correct" it.
Hey, maybe AP's friends are here to help her try and convert us to Scientology! ;-) I'm all ears! But I gotta warn you, it's going to be a tough sell!
Lol, just saw the comment above mine...I had a slight computer crash and then I had bagels with Jake for a bit. I don't run off. :-P
AP - so even if animals/plants become extinct due to man made selfishness, we shouldn't *try to sustain it.
Chocolate for example is from cocoa beans - grown in tropical climates - rain forests, which are being depleted at an alarming rate due to deforestation - some things I think are worth fighting for :)
"This is going to send me to therapy. What the heck, AP? By this logic, we shouldn't treat people for cancer, because God had a reason to give cancer to them.
Please say you're just yanking my chain."
Nah, no chain-yanking although in different circumstances, that could be fun. ;-) I'm all for treatment of anything if it's natural. Pull it out of the earth, scrape it off a tree, soak in it, whatever...it's good. I think our earth supplies everything we need, and in its natural state, to continue on as we are intended to. If you can't find a cure there, it's not meant to be cured, imo.
You're rethinking marrying me, I know. *sighs*
Wait. KatieJ? YOU'RE HERE! *twirls*
Crap, spelled it wrong in my excitement.
Nope, not a friend of AP's. I had stopped by last week (I think it was last week-maybe the week before) during Bella's bra washing discussion. I lurk daily though...
Corinne that woman made me feel violent for sure. I would like to smack her with a bible to be honest with ya....she claims Christianity but her behavior and words come across as anything but being a Christian.
Ya know Melissa this is a fun place to lurk in but it is more fun to jump in :)
And I dont think I will ever be able to catch up at MWOP today LOL
Melissa - I think you are fairly close to Miss AP!
So no chemotherapy for Jake if he gets leukemia, AP? Really?
Okay Melissa, now I remember you. And my bra is on day 3 right now. But still smelling fresh.
I don't think I was a contributor much to the bra washing convo, not sure why though.
Hi Shannon, I think I forgot to say hello!
SW - how are you feeling? Got any big social event this weekend? or food event?
Kristin-Yup, I believe AP and I are in the same county. Not sure though.
Shannon-I don't know why I lurk versus joinging in. Maybe it's a mental thing-just don't think I usually have much to contribute.
SW-Hi to you too-sorry I missed you before.
"You're rethinking marrying me, I know. *sighs*"
You're still avoiding the religion question. Are you Wiccan? Cause I could totally marry a Wiccan. Witches are cool.
"So do you think people with cancer should just accept their fate as determined by God? When Jake is sick, don't you take him to the doctor? Where do you draw the line?"
No, typically, we don't use doctors. I would take him if he asked to go but he sees it all pretty much as I do. I don't mind going for broken bones, eyeglasses, stitches, crap like that. Comfort and convenience things as opposed to potentially life-altering things.
"And what is your religion anyway?"
Ehh, no real name for it. Just old-fashioned mountain beliefs...heavily Native American influenced. It's how I was raised to a great degree and still makes sense to me. :-)
SW-Glad you're fresh smelling!
Kristin, I'm starting to get over my cold. How about you? I have no social events on my calendar this weekend, and am very happy about that. Other than making the roast you've got me craving, I don't plan any cooking.
The next Supper Club still isn't on the calendar, and I fussed at the host about that yesterday. My work spouse has a new g/f, and I might be cooking dinner for her next weekend, but not sure yet. I'm excited about meeting her. I think she could be his best wife yet! (He's had two, and he's just 31.)
Between the twirling and daisies and the thought of being a scientoligist :::shudder::: my head is spinning. KJ is fine for me. Less typing :-D
"I dunno, just thinking out loud - as I really have no idea on what AP is thinking :)"
Thanks there, Kristin...lol!
SW, I'm no Scientologist. They skeer me a little bit but I don't disagree with some of their thoughts on medical things. Thoughts on other things? Um. Not so much.
Hi, Melissa, good to see you again. It does sound like you're close to me. Brevard County?
AP-Yep, I'm in Brevard.
"So no chemotherapy for Jake if he gets leukemia, AP? Really?"
It's his call now. He's grown and can make his own decisions. I'll support him in whatever he'd choose but my choice would have been no. Really.
And I wasn't avoiding anything, I just hadn't gotten there yet! Now, you know me better than to think I avoid anything. No, not Wiccan although some aspects are similar, both being very earth-centric.
I have to log off for now but I have some thoughts to add to this topic. Particularly what you said, AP, concerning God being the laws of nature. I have some issues with God being an *anthropomorphic entity myself, mostly because that would mean God is gender determined and I don't believe that to be true.
I don't equal God and the laws of nature either but more on that later ;-)
SW-What is Supper Club? Sounds like something I'd be interested in.
KJ, it is...I'm awfully glad you finally jumped in! I was wondering where you were. Y'all, I've known her for what? 13 years now? She's alright. *nods*
Melissa, that's very cool...we're sort of neighbors. :-)
"I don't equal God and the laws of nature either but more on that later ;-)"
Good! I love this stuff.
LOL well dont see us as anything more then really smart animals who have managed to evolve from nothingness. I think that man created the idea of God as a means of shifting the power to something bigger and that man created Satan as a means of shifting the blame....like it isnt my fault the devil made me do it.
Shannon, I agree about Satan. He's always confused the hell out of me, pardon my pun, with how he fits into all of this in people's minds.
Going to make a new post before this one drives Mulie and Taiya and their pregnant brains insane with scrolling. ;-)
HAHAHAHA that is kind of you AP.
Shannon is correct about God, for those who want to keep score. ;-)
Melissa, I'm in a Supper Club with three other people. We meet once a month, but skipped February because the host is being a slacker, at one of the four members' houses, and the host cooks dinner. We try and outdo each other, which makes it fun and interesting.
SW-that sounds really fun. I love having people over and cooking new stuff. Are the people in your Supper Club friends of yours? I'm curious as to how you got involved or how the Club got started. Maybe there'e something like that in my area.
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