oopsie daisy...i said that?: An explanation for the last two posts being gone

Wednesday, August 11, 2010

An explanation for the last two posts being gone

It has come to the attention of those in the know that this whole thing was in fact perpetrated by Elizabeth Adkisson. They are in fact not even related. I would ask that people please keep in mind that HE has been just as victimized at this point as anyone of us by this person.

I am going to be locking comments so that nobody can read or access them as I do not want to do anything to his family. The secret that has been revealed has been done so because of Elizabeth Adkisson using this family and that is not acceptable to me. I will not justify what he did but I also do not feel that this is something that needs to be continued and used to cause his family more pain.

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Shannon said...: OK I know that peeps will be pissed but I did what I did.; August 11, 2010 at 9:11 PM
Muliebrity said...: Oh, for Christ's fucks sake! What next?; August 11, 2010 at 9:16 PM
Josh and Rya said...: I was just getting to the new post and poof. I wish I could read the past 309 comments though...; August 11, 2010 at 9:17 PM
Josh and Rya said...: Ok, what? Chris and Elisabeth aren't related? Oh, I've missed too much.; August 11, 2010 at 9:18 PM
Shannon said...: I know guys I am sorry......lets just say that much of the speculation in regards to Elisabeth....is she Chris' sister, Was she the one behind all of this, did Chris know, and so on and so forth has been found out. She is NOT his sister, half or otherwise. She is the one who did this in a way of providing her and hubby a means of income as both are unemployed. Chris had NO idea that she was doing all of this.....those messages "from Chris" were from HER!!!; August 11, 2010 at 9:21 PM
EandK said...: Okay, Lisa invited me to stick around. All of this drama is really making it hard to leave. No Chris at all. No Chris' mom at all. Elizabeth---does she even know him?

Lisa, I like the people here. But I am a bit weirded out by the drama.; August 11, 2010 at 9:27 PM
Tara said...: Is anyone "in the know" free to comment on this? Just wondering if she knew the family? There were pics of them together in various places on the interent. Wow - this sure has opened up another can of worms! So, I completely understand about you taking the post down, Shannon. Is this topic now off limits for discussion or shall we go on?; August 11, 2010 at 9:27 PM
Melissa said...: I go away for a couple of hours and all heck breaks loose. I am so confused. I'm with Tara in NC. If anyone that is in the know would be willing to email me and break it down I would greatly appreciate it.; August 11, 2010 at 9:30 PM
Amy B said...: I am new here. So if this has been answered I have missed it. So they are not related. Does she even know Chris? Somehow she has to get the pictures. Another thing that I can not figure out. She gave medical accounts for people to call in payments for his therapy, right? So if they were real numbers to rehab centers and people donated money. She had to have this information and Chris had to know that something was going on, right? Where did he think the money for his treatment was coming from?
I am so disappointed with Elizabeth. I know that means little to her or anyone else involved. But I have spent so much time talking with her about the emotional side of caring for a loved one with a stroke.; August 11, 2010 at 9:30 PM
Shannon said...: I will share this....they do in fact know each other.; August 11, 2010 at 9:31 PM
Shannon said...: I will say that YES this topic can be discussed I would just like to keep discussions about his past out of it as even though I do not forgive him or anything for that he had no part in this and he nor his family deserve to have that stuff out there......More out of respect for his family. If things had come that he was in on it all, or if it happens to be revealed somehow that he is after all.....then seriously fuck him but at this point if we can keep his past out of it I would greatly appreciate it.; August 11, 2010 at 9:34 PM
Amy B said...: I know I am pushing and you are trying to handle this the way you feel is best. Can you share of Chris knew she was doing this? And if not did he wonder who was paying the bills that were called into his rehab center? Heck where they even called into a real rehab center?; August 11, 2010 at 9:35 PM
Tara said...: Shannon I know you see all of us stomping our feet and pouting right now. We want answers!
How was she found out????; August 11, 2010 at 9:36 PM
Lisa said...: "Lisa, I like the people here. But I am a bit weirded out by the drama."

You and me both, EandK. You and me both.
Oh, wait, I'm a part of it. Shit.

And boy, Shannon locking those two whole posts up sure makes me and my little adventure in censorship here look better...lolol!

*runs before Shannon hits me*; August 11, 2010 at 9:37 PM
wendy said...: okay, so i've been a lurker forevah. via google (god, i love me some google) you can find that they are friends. that's just about it.; August 11, 2010 at 9:37 PM
Tara said...: I could seriously think of a thousand questions to ask right now.; August 11, 2010 at 9:37 PM
Heather said...: I am so entirely confused. Is it possible to give a Cliff Note's (Shannon you are good at those) that involve whoever "we" have been involved with? Or could someone please email me?

hyoung717(at)gmail(dot)com

Though I was in lurk mode often, I still was involved with the person here and at the other place. Plus, the financial stuff. How could a person not know where their bills were being paid from? Weren't they being paid?

Ugh. Making no sense. Sorry.; August 11, 2010 at 9:45 PM
Lisa said...: Hey, Wendy...glad you delurked yourself!

I'm going to have to leave in a bit...Work Of Art calls. God knows what's going to happen in that hour I'm gone.; August 11, 2010 at 9:45 PM
Karen said...: What is Work of Art? a store?

I have not an artistic bone in my body!; August 11, 2010 at 9:46 PM
KaytieJ said...: Shannon - You did what you felt was right. I am not convinced that he was not involved. Still have to wrap my head around that. However, I would prefer for us to be on the side of being innocent until proven guilty so to speak and let his family be in Peace.; August 11, 2010 at 9:47 PM
Lisa said...: Karen, it's a show on Bravo. The season finale is on at 10...can't miss it!

http://www.bravotv.com/work-of-art; August 11, 2010 at 9:53 PM
twirldawg said...: I am so confused.

Karen Work of Art is a show on Bravo; August 11, 2010 at 9:55 PM
Karen said...: Me too Jill - but at least I know that Work of Art is a show!! Thank you both :); August 11, 2010 at 9:58 PM
twirldawg said...: Glad I helped you clear that up. lol; August 11, 2010 at 10:02 PM
Shannon said...: I promise as soon as the all clear comes that I can spill I will spill.

Like I said they do know each other....they are 'close'....they are or atleast were friends....from what has been revealed is that he did not know this was going on

And Lisa :) yes you look tame now....I just dont want to leave that stuff up at this point...but seriously find out differently then I do right this minute there will be no err for caution....fists will fly; August 11, 2010 at 10:04 PM
Anonymous said...: Do we at least know if the money did in fact go to him and his medical expenses?; August 11, 2010 at 10:05 PM
twirldawg said...: Shannon it makes total sense.; August 11, 2010 at 10:06 PM
T3h Qu33n said...: Shannon,

You have your reasons for taking the information down and I respect that.

With that being said, I am enjoying your blog.

With that being said, my husband found my glasses so I can read again!; August 11, 2010 at 10:07 PM
Shannon said...: tisme.....at this point I cant guarantee that the money did not in fact go into her pocket as both of them have been unemployed for a time.; August 11, 2010 at 10:08 PM
Shannon said...: And this girl is hungry I will be back shortly after I get food in my belly; August 11, 2010 at 10:08 PM
Heather said...: Wow. That is bizarre. Not what you've decided Shannon-I get that if he wasn't involved. But the manipulation on her end. People are crazy, aren't they?!; August 11, 2010 at 10:16 PM
Muliebrity said...: I am very pleased with the early results of my lumbar injections today, BUT I was promised lite sedation with the breastfeeding friendly drug, Fentanyl. After I woke up, I was told I could not breastfeed for 48 hours because I was also given the drug, Versed. I had to go to the store in a drugged stupor to buy bottles and that damn expensive formula with a screaming hungry baby. She is so pissed, but is hungry, so she is eating. I am so annoyed/upset/angry right now. I have already had to dump over 10 oz.; August 11, 2010 at 10:18 PM
suz said...: Been reading over the last few days, sorry this happened to you all. Pretty much everything that can be said has but you know, you daisies are an awesome group of gals. Yeah ya got burned but as the saying goes "your side of the street is clean." you can hold your heads up and you should.; August 11, 2010 at 10:21 PM
suz said...: And I gotta go I am posting from my phone and it is about to die; August 11, 2010 at 10:23 PM
twirldawg said...: Mulie that sucks.
What kind of back problems do you have? I know a few of us here have back problems.; August 11, 2010 at 10:23 PM
Heather said...: Oh no Mulie. I can't believe they didn't tell you ahead of time-those drugs are usually given together. The Versed makes you forget and Fentanyl for pain. I do like the Versed, but not when it's getting in the way of a hungry baby. =/; August 11, 2010 at 10:34 PM
MarigoldMama said...: I can't imagine the funds that were sent right to the rehab center didn't go for Chris' care. How could Elizabeth intercept that money?
Also, how could Chris NOT know about the money if his therapy was being funded! Where did he think the money came from???
And, I think it's time to stop playing games and treating us all like a bunch of preschoolers with "na na I know info but im not tellin" We are all adults here, and frankly I am not clear as to why you think you need to protect Elizabeth or Chris now. What about all the innocent people they duped and took advantage of...I think we are deserving of answers.; August 11, 2010 at 10:35 PM
Muliebrity said...: I see a pain management doctor for chronic neck and back issues related to torn and bulging discs, sciatica, IT Band syndrome, as well as additional nerve and muscle damage. This October, I will be celebrating 11 years of this pain nonsense.; August 11, 2010 at 10:37 PM
twirldawg said...: Ugh Mulie that is miserable. I have issues with sciatica related to scoliosis.; August 11, 2010 at 10:39 PM
won said...: "It's Friday. Payday for many. I know money is tight for everyone but don't forget about Caring For Chris. How about passing on eating out for a week and giving what you save there? You and he both will be healthier for it. If nothing else, contribute towards a blow job fund, will you? Just try to help and I promise you'll feel all self-righteous and special for it."

ICK! I need to go take a shower. Can't believe Lisa wrote this shit. She told everyone here she had done her checking and it was all good. Oh yeah. Miss Know it All led everyone in to being duped. Hope you feel self-righteous and special now bitch.

Do you think he ever got his blow job?; August 11, 2010 at 10:40 PM
Muliebrity said...: Heather, I *just talked it over with the doctor not even 5 mins before they started my IV. It was well aware I was breastfeeding, hence the baby attached to my boob during our discussion. I was planning to do it with no drugs, but he insisted we could use an opiate based med (which I am comfortable with) and would be able to resume breastfeeding with in hours.

Do you work with these meds are do you have personal experience with them?; August 11, 2010 at 10:41 PM
Jennifer-Lynn said...: MarigoldMama, welcome.

From where I’m sitting, it’s not so much a “I know something you don’t know” issue as much as a “let me get my facts straight and THEN post.” I mean, how can we keep up with it at this point? I’d rather read cold hard facts than speculation at this point. If Shannon needs time to get it together, let’s give her time. Just my take on it.

Wow, Nunya. Do you ever get dizzy, up there on your pedestal?; August 11, 2010 at 10:42 PM
Muliebrity said...: "ICK! I need to go take a shower. Can't believe Lisa wrote this shit."

Nunya, As ick as we know it is now, that was kind of the tone of some of the conversations. You may not approve, but hey, it is what it is.; August 11, 2010 at 10:45 PM
twirldawg said...: What BD said.; August 11, 2010 at 10:46 PM
Muliebrity said...: Oh, and if there is one, I would love to see Liz's "friend from Kansas" come out.; August 11, 2010 at 10:59 PM
Anonymous said...: I am just sick to my stomach and would like some info so that I can see about taking legal action against her, him, they, whomever.

And, not to be nitpicky, but you might want to fix the spelling of explanation in the title of this post. Just so nobody has reason to demean.; August 11, 2010 at 11:04 PM
Shannon said...: Dang-it!!! I tell you what tisme....for some reason my fingers hate me this week and I have been misspelling everything lately....thank you for the heads up on that one :); August 11, 2010 at 11:16 PM
Jeanette said...: The Caring Bridge site has been shut down again.; August 11, 2010 at 11:23 PM
Lisa said...: Oh, Nunya, I make no apologies for what I said. I was trying to keep it light and fun instead of all preachy. Trying to help someone who I believed needed help, you know? I make no apologies in the world for that part. What I've said all along is that I checked and that Chris absolutely had a stroke, which is true, and that the donation sources checked out, which they did. I never claimed to have run a background check on him or Liz. Sadly, I should have done just that on both but didn't. Of course, neither did anyone else. But I brought him here and I didn't check his background and for that, I've apologized many times over. You want me to bleed some for you, too? *pokes self in palms*

Hi to all the new people here!; August 11, 2010 at 11:23 PM
Erin said...: Hey Ap- no 'poking', remember?!? ;)

Mulie- Isn't formula sick expensive?? I think I am going through 2 a week @ $23 a pop. I am buying the Sensitive lactose free, so I don't know if that makes a difference. I almost dropped the container on the floor tonight. I tell you, I would have cried! Now I am *doubly thankful i nursed mine! sorry for your pump and dump, but hope your back feels better.; August 11, 2010 at 11:28 PM
Lisa said...: "Also, how could Chris NOT know about the money if his therapy was being funded! Where did he think the money came from???"

I wonder the same but in the vast maze of expensive medical bills, I'm not so sure many people notice much but for the bottom line of what is owed. And it's quite possible much of the money came by way of PayPal and personal checks instead of donations to medical places.

"And, I think it's time to stop playing games and treating us all like a bunch of preschoolers with "na na I know info but im not tellin" We are all adults here, and frankly I am not clear as to why you think you need to protect Elizabeth or Chris now. What about all the innocent people they duped and took advantage of...I think we are deserving of answers."

I get this, too. I'd feel exactly the same way and frankly, I'm not thrilled with it either. But Shannon needs to make sure what she relays is accurate and not more lies, you know? She needs to make sure you/we get accuracy this time, the truth, not to protect Chris and Liz so much as to protect everyone else from getting a pack of lies again. I know, I know, it's easy for me to say but if people want this fixed, it's how it has to be. Bluntly, Shannon has to do what I failed to do.; August 11, 2010 at 11:31 PM
Muliebrity said...: I just grabbed a premixed bottle of it hoping that it will last through the time I need it for. It was $10, but the small premixed can is $25. I didn't want to open that and then not use it all. I have to use Alimentum or Nutramigen with her because the the milk protein issue. I used all my formula coupons to buy my sister formula, so I was paying full price.; August 11, 2010 at 11:35 PM
Erin said...: I was pleased to find a milk based lactose free formula. I had him on the soy sensitive, but the soy was giving him horrible gas and he was spitting up a lot. I think the Nutramigen is the same price. Sheesh. Babies.; August 11, 2010 at 11:42 PM
Jenn said...: New here, delurking anyhow:o).... but Muliebrity and Erin Lutz you are discussing something my sister dealt with for my nephew. Because he had lactose issues they got a prescription for the Nutramigen from the pediatrician and their insurance covered it. Something to look into it saved them a boatload of money since the Nutramigen was more expensive. They were able to get 3 months of formula at a time. Anyway, good luck with your little ones :o)

Jenn; August 11, 2010 at 11:55 PM
Lisa said...: Yay, more new people! It distracts me from creating false stigmatas, which is always a plus, isn't it?; August 12, 2010 at 12:00 AM
Erin said...: Yeah AP. You don't want all the hooplah of a visit from the Vatican!

Thanks Jenn. It is for my nephew who is staying with us for a bit. I need to look into that.; August 12, 2010 at 12:13 AM
Lisa said...: Oh, God, I can't believe I'm even doing this after the shit I pulled with my "deal" I made when I was the mod here, but I'm just going to hang a big ol' hypocrite sign around my neck and do it. Shannon, I've been thinking about this and in the end, my own personal opinion, based on my own stupid mistakes, is that the loyalty of Daisy ought to be toward those reading here and not to strangers...even if we do think those strangers are innocent. So, as such, can you and will you please consider opening those last posts back up? We can fix any damage or harm by simply making sure the truth, researched and confirmed, is posted here as well.; August 12, 2010 at 12:13 AM
Shannon said...: Copying the post I just made on MWOP....

Ok so I am gonna lay it out here ok......I have shared what I can.

The deleting of the posts comes from my inexperience because I couldnt figure out how to hide the comments and panicked and deleted the posts.....The links and such are still posted and is still saved. Deleting those posts had NOTHING to do with protecting Chris or Elizabeth, it had to do with his family and they dont deserve to have that out there....he is still a serious POS in my mind for what he did but he appears to have been just as used by Elizabeth as all of us have been in his name. There was some stuff that could have put him back in prison and I am sorry but I am not going to be responsible for putting someone who is doing what they need to do in prison....not gonna happen sorry if that pisses people off.

The reason why there wasnt more investigation done by Lisa or MWOP was because with what they had available they checked it......they had no clue to even question Elisabeth until a FB account, that has since been shut right the hell down, was discovered and 2 and 2 were not coming anywhere near 4. That lead to further investigation which lead to the site about her involvement with April Rose. That lead to more digging that found the court records.

I know that isnt enough but that is what I have at the moment and when I have more believe me there will be a lot of stuff going on about Elizabeth and people will know.; August 12, 2010 at 12:14 AM
Lisa said...: "Yeah AP. You don't want all the hooplah of a visit from the Vatican!"

I don't? There are a few things I'd like to ask the Pope about.; August 12, 2010 at 12:14 AM
Muliebrity said...: Thanks, Jen. I have been looking into it, but (even though Lisa doesn't want to hear any more about my baby's poop), I need to be able to collect a large enough poop sample with blood in it, so that the lab can analyze it. I have not been able to do that yet. I am working on it, because it is so difficult to maintain my dairy, egg, soy, and nut free diet. Do you know how difficult it is to not eat ice cream in this summer heat? I eat about 12 lbs of water melon a week to try and make up for it.; August 12, 2010 at 12:15 AM
Lisa said...: OOooh, they're actually deleted? Well, there goes that.

The one thing I'll mention, too, is that she changed the "z" in her name to an "s", which made Google searches, which I did, sort of useless. I'd pull up a few things with a "z" and dismiss them since the spelling was wrong. That was a mistake and I own it.; August 12, 2010 at 12:18 AM
Erin said...: <--- could never eat ice cream again and be perfectly content. Can live without chocolate too. Yes, I am a freak!

AP- I am quite *sure you will get honest, enlightening answers to all your questions asked to the Pope. If you believe that, I have a Paypal account you can donate to! ;); August 12, 2010 at 12:20 AM
Jenn said...: Yea, watermelon wouldn't do it for me either:o(; August 12, 2010 at 12:21 AM
Shannon said...: UM yeah Lisa I did a panic move and yes I deleted them.....ooops; August 12, 2010 at 12:23 AM
Shannon said...: Ok must go for the night...hubby calls LOL; August 12, 2010 at 12:24 AM
Muliebrity said...: <---only wants ice cream because she can't have it.; August 12, 2010 at 12:40 AM
Muliebrity said...: Dammit, Shannon! Now I am going to have to comment on that damn (non-existent) CB site to announce I want my money back. Did someone get a screen shot before she took it down? If not, I have it open, but don't know how to do a screen shot.; August 12, 2010 at 12:42 AM
Lisa said...: "UM yeah Lisa I did a panic move and yes I deleted them.....ooops"

I cannot point fingers and call names over panic moves. I wish I could, but alas, I've been there and done that.

I'm with Erin on the ice cream and chocolate thing but if you touch my mashed potatoes, you'll lose a hand. Touch them if I have some ketchup on them and you lose the whole arm.; August 12, 2010 at 12:44 AM
Lisa said...: For a screen shot, press your "print screen" button and save it in Paint or something. You might have to do it in multiple parts to get it all.; August 12, 2010 at 12:46 AM
Erin said...: A soft pretzel with mustard? I would crawl across hot coals for! They don't last in this house, nor do Kettle cooked chips. I throw out icky colored old chocolate very often!; August 12, 2010 at 12:50 AM
Muliebrity said...: :::brushing the Kettle cooked chip crumbs off my cleavage:::: <--- Not a joke; August 12, 2010 at 12:53 AM
Jennifer-Lynn said...: <---also does not care for either ice cream or chocolate. However, mashed potatoes, pretzels (soft or otherwise) and salt and vinegar potato chips are my downfall. And knishes. Oh, and burritos. :)

Night all!; August 12, 2010 at 12:54 AM
Karen said...: Wait... ketchup on mashed potatoes???; August 12, 2010 at 12:55 AM
Karen said...: french fries with salt and vinegar yes - chips with salt and vinegar - not so much!

i'm more an ice cream and chocolate person, not so much with potatoes, or pretzels (soft or hard) or chips - I could do without.; August 12, 2010 at 12:57 AM
Muliebrity said...: How to we ask MWOP to take down the name of Chris' mom?; August 12, 2010 at 1:01 AM
Muliebrity said...: Funny, but *my comments are being moderated at MWOP. Didn't have this problem yesterday...; August 12, 2010 at 1:15 AM
Ann Church said...: Long, long, long time lurker.

Mulie, MWOP typically shuts off comments at night.

I felt the need to respond since it is late and I didn't think a lot of people would be on.; August 12, 2010 at 1:22 AM
EandK said...: Looks like MWOP has gone to bed and put moderation back on.; August 12, 2010 at 1:22 AM
Muliebrity said...: Thanks, J Lo and E and K! I didn't know how it worked over there and since the comments were open last night, I was confused. That is probably my cue to go to bed. Night, all!; August 12, 2010 at 1:26 AM
Lisa said...: "Wait... ketchup on mashed potatoes???"

Don't knock it 'til you've tried it. It's even better smushed up between two pieces of mayo'd white bread. ;-)

I've been over reading at MWOP. No way, no how, under any circumstances is the MWOP mod Elisabeth. For one thing, she's not long-winded enough. But really, the styles are just o very different that it's painfully obvious. I wish people would let that go.

Also, I made some statements about what I'd do to Chris if the money wasn't repaid within a month. I'm not ready to retract those entirely until we have absolute, irrefutable facts, but my leaning at this point is to say I'll be contacting the fine people here, instead and about Liz and her husband, Russ. http://www.wilco.org/CountyDepartments/CountyAttorney/tabid/222/language/en-US/Default.aspx

And if not there, this place would work. http://www.oag.state.tx.us/consumer/scams.shtml

Gosh, did I just post those so everyone could see them? Why yes, yes, I did.; August 12, 2010 at 1:35 AM
Karen said...: Don't knock it 'til you've tried it. It's even better smushed up between two pieces of mayo'd white bread. ;-)

WAIT! ARE YOU PREGNANT???

haha goodnight Daisys!; August 12, 2010 at 1:43 AM
Muliebrity said...: I also wonder if (as much as I hate that Chris is a convicted sex offender) Liz hasn't somehow illegally taken advantage of a disabled person. She his images and had him posing for pictures and videos that she posted to gain money for her own gain.

I really feel like if she is not "punished" she will be right back to defrauding people of thousands of dollars. I am betting she received $5,000-$10,000. Easy.; August 12, 2010 at 1:43 AM
Lisa said...: I'm going to sit with Mulie on that bench.

And no, I am not pregnant, Karen, you goof. It isn't possible...just ask Tammi.

With that, I'm out. This has been a long day and I'm done with it. G'night everyone. Hair tugs to you all. :-); August 12, 2010 at 1:46 AM
MarigoldMama said...: I think Shannon is protecting Chris because her own husband was in jail and she feels some sort of kinship to his situation. She is too biased to research this thoroughly.
She obviously knows enough at this point to delete comments and remove posts, yet is claiming she still wants to check her facts??? What gives?

No matter if he was aware of the scam or not, he still benefited it from it all. I find it hard to believe that there was no money to continue therapies, and then all of a sudden he's back in therapy (thanks to donations), and he knows his SSDI did not come through yet, so where the heck did he think the money came from?? I also recall videos that he Elizabeth posted specifically of Chris thanking MWOP and Daisies for their money donations and gifts! Are you all forgetting that proof of his knowledge of donations????????

Thank you, Lisa, for trying to make right an honest mistake of yours. I believe you checked him out as best as you could at the time.
I appreciate you trying to pressure Elizabeth to pay everyone back the money she collected, and that you care enough to follow through legally.; August 12, 2010 at 2:00 AM
Jennifer-Lynn said...: MM, it's really nice of you to try to keep things interesting by invoking Shannon's husband's history, but she's already been pretty open about that. Besides, we have enough drama around here right now, wouldn't you say?; August 12, 2010 at 2:13 AM
KaytieJ said...: "E" - the poster who said "Thanks KaytieJ...but that was not necessary" Loose quotes.

I am ticked the original posts are gone, because I think there was a big misunderstanding here, or so I hope. I had said "FU to C & E". I believe the "E" thought I was referring to them and so that is the result of the high capped response. However, I was using a Daisy shortcut of Chris and Elisabeth (C & E) and it had no reference to "E"'s comments. I actually liked what "E" said.; August 12, 2010 at 6:26 AM
Margo said...: I don't know how much Chris really knew about this but you have to remember after his stroke he may not cognitively be able to process. It's easy for people to take advantage of people like that. So I'm willing to give Chris the benefit of the doubt. There is O doubt in my mind that E saw a way to make some money and did so by using Chris' misfortune. It's shameful!; August 12, 2010 at 6:55 AM
Margo said...: KJ - you are up way to early, go back to bed sweetheart!

I also want to say this to the drama lovers who will come here and pick this apart like a buzzard on a fresh kill. Personally I only gave E $50 and donated some charms for the auction. However, strokes and scam artists are no joke. So if you want drama go watch a soap opera and leave us alone :); August 12, 2010 at 6:59 AM
Margo said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; August 12, 2010 at 7:11 AM
E said...: Katiej,
I apologize! Also, just realized that computer I was on yesterday had a stuck cap key so I guess it looked like I was yelling.So sorry. From reading you I have learned what a warm, caring and loving person you are. I have seen you throw out an FU here and there..couldnt figure out what I said that got me one- lol.
Guess this isnt best time to have user name of e! Glad we got to clear that up 8-); August 12, 2010 at 8:15 AM
Muliebrity said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; August 12, 2010 at 8:48 AM
T@iy@ said...: Marigold Mama- how about you just leave if you want to be a petulant child because you aren't hearing what you want to hear? Shannon did what she did, and while I may not personally care for it(still love you Shannon!), there is absolutely no reason to attack her and bring up crap everyone knows about and that no one except you cares about. There is enough drama being bandied about.; August 12, 2010 at 9:07 AM
Margo said...: Hiya Taiya - I think the message to the block heads is - Hi, we don't care, thanks :); August 12, 2010 at 9:12 AM
T@iy@ said...: Yeah, it is. The petulant child act just got me. From here on out it's ignore, ignore, ignore.; August 12, 2010 at 9:21 AM
Margo said...: Mulie, you've got mail.

Later ladies.; August 12, 2010 at 9:22 AM
jmh said...: I love Shannon to death and never comment here. But, please know that I was blocked from the MWOP site for saying that "Chris" looked like a photoshopped scammer. I was blocked after that one comment! My personal opinion is that MWOP is also this Elizabeth chic. But, that's just me. Why in the world would I be blocked from MWOP for taking a stab at Chris' credibility unless MWOP had something to hide about "Chris"?!?! These are just all the questions running through my mind now.

Shannon - You know I love ya. That's why I'm telling you all this. Otherwise, no one would know a) MWOP blocks commenters (just like JM; which is such an oxymoron and b) the reason MWOP blocked me was because I speculated that "Chris" was a fraud. The picture said it all, to me.; August 12, 2010 at 10:14 AM
JustPeachy2 said...: Marigold- you obviously don't have a freaking clue. FYI, Shannon was very (appropriately) hard on Chris in the last post regarding his conviction(s). So, just because you have your panties in a bunch waiting for the drama that you so eagerly seek to unfold, doesn't mean that Shannon isn't doing the right thing or isn't being hard enough.; August 12, 2010 at 10:15 AM
jmh said...: And I want to add - when I say Chris' picture "said it all", I'm not sure what I believe about him. But, I think whoever "designed" his picture was certainly scamming. MWOP jumped into "donate to Chris!" so very soon and so many people did...I just cannot shake the feeling that MWOP is Elizabeth!; August 12, 2010 at 10:16 AM
twirldawg said...: Elizabeth is not behind MWOP.; August 12, 2010 at 10:18 AM
jmh said...: @Jill - Is there a way to be sure about that? Like I said, it's hard to shake the feeling. Not that anyone cares what I feel. But I'd sure like to know how to know for sure that MWOP isn't Elizabeth.; August 12, 2010 at 10:20 AM
JustPeachy2 said...: I don't think so either... but the truth is we don't know anything about anyone online.

That being said, I'm sitting on the fence on this one. Until we know for sure (and can we ever really know for sure?) it's probable that both Chris and Elizabeth are scammers.; August 12, 2010 at 10:20 AM
Robin in Montana said...: I think the picture was photoshopped to hell and back, too. Not that that matters, I guess. The whole thing is a mess, regardless of how much Chris knew or didn't know.; August 12, 2010 at 10:21 AM
jmh said...: MWOP promoted Chris' story more than any other. Many people on MWOP had stories of life tragedies...MWOP ONLY ever posted Chris' crazy picture for donations and prayers.; August 12, 2010 at 10:21 AM
jmh said...: And the photoshopped picture, I guess, is what really bothered me. MWOP had NO problem with that pic and begging for donations for him FOR Elizabeth. But yet JM was ON BLAST for her edited photos. I'm not taking up for JM AT ALL but certainly will never be okay with one thing on one blog but put someone else down for doing the exact same thing.; August 12, 2010 at 10:22 AM
Deb said...: Well, hello everyone, and new people! Who are all of these new names?!

I return from a vacation to this hot mess....wow and going to try to catch up.; August 12, 2010 at 10:23 AM
twirldawg said...: Deb! I've missed you.; August 12, 2010 at 10:23 AM
Shannon said...: MarigoldMama....I am sorry but I have to start this with a big fat FUCK YOU!!!!

Why yes my husband was in prison....does that make me sympathetic to someone else who was in prison? Not for shit like this. My husband was in prison for beating the shit out of a guy who was smacking around his ex girlfriend's almost 3 year old son.

You want to know what else??? I have shared this before many times so I am not exposing any big family secret.

My daughter was molested when she was 5 years old. We prosecuted and the mother fucker spent 7 years in prison and will be a registered sex offender for the rest of his life. I do NOT have a warm fuzzy place in my heart for pedophiles and have in fact said many many times you cant fix their kind of sick and they should be shot in the head out right.

So yeah if you want to start up some drama and through out well known facts about me to use against me how about you get them all?; August 12, 2010 at 10:26 AM
Robin in Montana said...: Hi Deb! I've missed you!; August 12, 2010 at 10:27 AM
jmh said...: You go Shannon! I'm sure MarigoldMama's life ain't all sunshine and (!) marigolds either. We all have shit in our lives. MarigoldMama needs a life. You, Shannon, are awesome! And hello there again girly:); August 12, 2010 at 10:28 AM
Shannon said...: Hello Julie good to see you again. Just want to let you know I know MWOP isnt Elisabeth.

Julie the things in my life like with my daughter and my husband I have never looked at as being things that are shameful or bad....they are things that happened in our lives that made us better people today and brought us closer together in the end.; August 12, 2010 at 10:31 AM
Shannon said...: I am going to add this to the post heading today but I also want to share this here for those who arent all about scrolling up right now.

I am removing the names of those who were in contact with Claudia because I personally have seen enough I told you so behavior as of late from the perfect club.

"XXXX....it is 12:00am (Central) and I have just read your message. Thank you for contacting me. I have also heard from XXX (name X'd out to protect privacy) by phone this evening. To say that I am upset is a major understatement. I am furious at Liz, but not at all surprised. Chris worked for Liz's mother, Melissa, as a tow truck driver for 10 years. Over these years, Liz has "scammed" Chris several times....but he has always forgiven her, and tried to let by-gones be by-gones to keep peace with his employer.
Chris messed up big time in Florida, made some bad/stupid choices, and ended up spending time in prison. He will llive with the consequences for the rest of his life, and I believe he will never make the same mistake again. Liz's mother, Melissa, took a chance with Chris, and hired him to work for her just days after he returned home to Texas from prison. His loyalty to Melissa has been strong. November 22, 2009, Chris suffered a massive stroke, with a small chance of survival. He had no insurance, and his income ended that day. Liz quickly designed the FB "Help For Havens" site (the ONLY one that our family, including Chris, knew of). Donations were directed to the University Federal Credit Union to an account, to which only I had access. Every penny was spent for paying for hospital, dr, medicine, etc. Chris had to move back to live with us when he was discharged from in-patient rehab. He continued out-patient which was paid for by his dad. In mid-February, Melissa and Liz were instrumental in convincing Chris he needed his independence back, and encouraged him to return to his apartment....out of our home. They assured Chris they had a lengthy list of volunteers who would take turns staying with him.....he has to have 24-7 care. As it turns out, only Liz, her husband Russ, and the employee Melissa hired to take Chris' place were the only volunteers who stayed with him. It was about this time Liz set up her Paypal account to receive donations, and no further donations came into the account that I had set up. I have no idea how much money came into this Paypal account or how it was spent, but it was NOT for rehab. I DO know that from mid-February until mid-June, Chris' car was used by Liz' husband (Chris cannot drive).....their car had broken down; Chris credit card was charged up; they ordered take-out or delivery food daily; they used Chris' computer and broke it.....yes, they were his "caregivers"....but were just warm bodies that used his "stuff"...ran up his electricity bill, and did not lift a finger cleaning for 4 months. Since I was not at all in favor of Chris moving back to his apartment, nor having Liz and Russ as his caregivers....Liz, Melissa, and then Chris all "defriended" me on FB. What choice did I have? He is a 38 year old man....eventhough the stroke left him with some deficits....definitely physical, but also emotionally, mentally, and spiritually. Some of his friends called me to say they had helped him with rent, but were not able to continue (Liz had called them begging.) We discussed the possibility of Chris coming back to our house, and we would buy a small modular unit for him to live in on our property. He agreed. When he told Liz and Russ (mid-June), they mysteriously became ill, and unable to stay with him anymore.
Chris then discovered that his $1000-$1200 gold necklace was also missing. He has not seen them since, except when Russ and Liz' dad came by briefly to pick up all their belongings.; August 12, 2010 at 10:36 AM
jmh said...: I'm glad that you know MWOP isn't Elizabeth. I still have no respect for MWOP, simpy because they are extremely nit picky over there and do many similar things to what they complain about JM for. I just don't have respect for people who say they hate when someone ______ (fill in whatever) and then they go do they same thing. I'm just saying it infuriated me to no end that I was blocked for saying Chris' pic looked scam-ish. It makes it really seem like MWOP was protecting Chris. When I thought MWOP's purpose was something entirely different. Oh well. Like it here better anyway and I still get the same info! :p

I HATE that your daughter went through what she did and that you did too. You are right to look at horrible things as opportunities to build strength and character. NEVER let anyone tell you that ANYTHING in your life was "wrong" or a mistake or anything like that. Life happens. You made the best of a crappy situation and kudos to you for doing so.; August 12, 2010 at 10:36 AM
jmh said...: I re-read what I wrote. I didn't mean that what happened to your daughter wasn't a HORRID thing. I'm just saying that obviously you handled it and it brought you guys closer. It is the way in which you handled it that matters. Hopefully, the MF-er that did that to your daughter will rot in hell for all eternity.; August 12, 2010 at 10:38 AM
Anonymous said...: Sorry, tisme again. I just can't shake this feeling that Liz has done this before. What, with her different stories about pregnancies and miscarriages, her stories of MS, infertility, and having cancer. DO you think her husband really has no clue what she is doing? Also, if Claudia was already contacted re making her FB page private, wouldn't she have done that already? Something's rotten in Denmark.; August 12, 2010 at 10:39 AM
Margo said...: Welcome back Deb!; August 12, 2010 at 10:41 AM
Jennifer-Lynn said...: Peachy, I like you. Stick around, please.

Love, BD; August 12, 2010 at 10:46 AM
Jennifer-Lynn said...: Hey Deb!; August 12, 2010 at 10:46 AM
Sandy said...: :: filling up the cooler with Schlitz:: Think I should order a keg? There's a lot of new peoples here.

Morning Ladies.; August 12, 2010 at 10:54 AM
JustPeachy2 said...: BD,

Thanks! :) Fully intend to.; August 12, 2010 at 10:57 AM
Robin in Montana said...: :::hands Peach back the bits of hair weave I mistakenly snatched out yesterday:::; August 12, 2010 at 10:59 AM
JustPeachy2 said...: :) It's all good, Robin; August 12, 2010 at 11:02 AM
Robin in Montana said...: You're just playing nice because you know I have alcohol. :nods:

Sorry. Not making light of the bullshit that has gone down. Just kind of ready to move on for now and let some of the dust settle. I understand if not everyone is.; August 12, 2010 at 11:03 AM
JustPeachy2 said...: Couldn't agree more. It's just a shit situation no matter how you slice it. I can't imagine uncovering any new info that will somehow make it all OK, so perhaps it's time to move on. Sigh.; August 12, 2010 at 11:04 AM
Shannon said...: tisme.....it has appeared that she has done similar things before with the Viper club and the check with her mom....Liz is NOT the type who does this once...she is looking for that fast buck.; August 12, 2010 at 11:05 AM
Sandy said...: Shannon, think I should set up the Daisy buffet?

Ladies, I'm in no way making light of the situation. We can speculate until the cows come home.

Coffee cake anyone?; August 12, 2010 at 11:09 AM
lee said...: Hi Ladies, I haven't been here in a long time. Hey Shannon, hang in there lady! I stopped reading here when Elisabeth "came to town" because I had a hard time with the idea that she tweeted and everyone at MWOP felt sorry for her and then she came here and went on about her brother like she did and everyone reached out to help, which is amazing. But no on knew her from the man in the moon and how come she gets assistance when others don't. Don't take this as a jealousy issue, but, why did she deserve to have money raised for her brother more than lots of people here and at MWOP. Because she gave a big sob story and knew how to scam people. I don't know. I have dealt with more things with my son for 27 years now and he never learned to walk or talk, we diaper him and he has uncontrolled grand mal seizures everyday and lots and lots more medical needs and expenses everyday then Chris, but we've never lowered ourselves to ask for help here at home or on the internet. My husband and I and younger son work hard to keep things going with care and financial responsibilities. I know there are lots of people here in similar situations with loved ones needing care. It is people like Elisabeth and Chris (who I do believe had something to do with it otherwise why the thank you video) that make it difficult for families with sick or disabled family members to get the slightest bit of help and acknowledgement of needs. They make all of us look bad and everyone wonders what story to believe or not. I am not posting this for reasons of "poor me." It just bugs me that my family has struggled for many, many years and someone like this can come along with a scam and make money and bullshit everyone into feeling sorry for them when they have no idea what it takes and how it really, really is everyday to provide and care for loved ones in similar or worse situations. I wish I could post a video of my son saying just one word. It would be a dream come true. I would gladly do it with no money or strings attached. I would be the happiest mom in this world with not ever another single need! I thought the whole time how lucky Chris was to still have his speech. My son has no form of communication.

Sorry just my two cents! Have a great day everyone. I've missed lots of your friendly "faces!"; August 12, 2010 at 11:18 AM
Robin in Montana said...: Lee - you make valid points, and another friend of mine has basically those same sentiments in light of her own situation.; August 12, 2010 at 11:28 AM
Shannon said...: Lee I am so happy to see you because I have missed you terribly and I have NOTHING but serious respect for you and what you and yours do for your son. And I do agree with you.

I know that Lisa and MWOP were coming from a good place with helping and what makes me sad is that I dont see this kind of helping happening again. Too many scammers out there and unfortunately there will be truly needy people that wont be helped because of them.; August 12, 2010 at 11:32 AM
Muliebrity said...: Lee, You sound like an amazing mom and you are so right.

I think Liz just popped up at the "right" time. She was a great writer of bull shit and always had an answer for everything. Answers that sounded plausible. Weired, but plausible. I didn't donate until the Crafts for Chris thing came up and I made a 2nd donation at the end of May. In my mind, if it were a scam, it would have been reveled by then. Liz and I always maintained a relationship via Twitter and email, so I was invested with her as a friend and, while I do see now how she treated others, she was always friendly with me, long before I gave money.; August 12, 2010 at 11:37 AM
Tammi said...: I have nothing to add, since I wasn't here at that time. But is it going to go on and on and on...??? It sucks, people got duped, but there is really nothing you can do.; August 12, 2010 at 11:43 AM
Lisa said...: "@Jill - Is there a way to be sure about that? "

I have emails from both. I'll just check IPs and report back. I have no doubt what the answer will be, though. And before anyone even goes there, no, I will not post the MWOP's IP or location. People can trust me or not on it.

"MWOP promoted Chris' story more than any other. Many people on MWOP had stories of life tragedies...MWOP ONLY ever posted Chris' crazy picture for donations and prayers."

I did the same here when I was the mod, and far more than MWOP ever did. Maybe I'm Elizabeth, hmm? Maybe Lisa is short for Elisabeth.

Lol, I'm going to regret doing that, aren't I? :-D; August 12, 2010 at 11:47 AM
Muliebrity said...: A lot, a lot of people are just finding out about all this and new information is being revealed constantly, so it may go on for a bit longer, Tammi.

Unless, we can get the owner of the Truth About Liz blog going again. ;-)

I am curious about SW right now, because Liz led me to believe that SW had helped her with Chris' SSI filings. I can only assume that SW gave her advise and not *actual help.; August 12, 2010 at 11:49 AM
Lisa said...: LEE!! Oh, gosh, it's so good to see you again and I'm more glad than you know that you came back. And I'm very sorry.

Tammi, it may well go on and on. Such is life. :-) By the way, I answered you last night on the other post but it's gone now - no, I don't think surrogacy, IVF, etc. are right far gay people, either. Imo, it's all wrong and for anyone. Did you think I'd feel differently since it hit a little closer to home? Because I do not.; August 12, 2010 at 11:55 AM
Shannon said...: Mulie I would ask perhaps that you not start talking about SW.....she hasnt been around for a while now and seriously she is not in question here.; August 12, 2010 at 11:57 AM
Laura said...: Hello ladies,

::trying not to feel like I've stepped in shit::

But I've been lurking since the Chris stuff unraveled here and at MWOP the other night. I see some familiar faces from MWOP and a ton of people I don't know. I'm sure everyone is leery of lurkers coming out of the woodwork right now (hence why I feel like I've stepped in something and 'smell'), but I come with a question for Shannon.

Shannon: Would it be OK if I c&p'd your (names removed) letter at MWOP? Would go a long way towards helping some people understand what's going on (not like it's easy to understand....). And I'd like to say that you rock for how you're handling this, JMO.

My MWOP handle is Laura_LAW in case anyone feels a need to 'validate' me before giving me a pass!

@Julie: MWOP comments are 'moderated' at night and sometimes posts are 'flagged' for approval. Are you certain that this is not the case in your situation? MWOP doesn't ban lightly and she's posted EVERY time a person has been banned and why. The running tally is 8 and AFAIK it's been for harassing posts. I saw your comment the other day - it wasn't harassing, just your opinion. I can't see her banning you for that.; August 12, 2010 at 11:58 AM
Lisa said...: Mulie, I'd be shocked to learn SW did that, to be honest. Now that her name is in this, someone probably ought to email her and let her know, though.; August 12, 2010 at 11:59 AM
Tammi said...: Lisa...oh I had no idea...just wondered. :); August 12, 2010 at 12:03 PM
Trudy said...: Hi Lee, Good to see you =); August 12, 2010 at 12:05 PM
Shannon said...: Hello Law....I did do a C & P of the letter I posted a little earlier this morning. I am not sure if that is the one you were talking about but honestly I dont have a problem with that at all.

The reason I even went over to MWOP in the first place and said anything is because I know that there were people there that were in the same boat as us at Daisy and they needed to know.

It is nice however that Lisa and I and Daisy in general are getting such a fabulous racking over the coals on this since we didnt have to say a damn word....but oh well one person in particular, and she knows who she is, is just a bitter old woman who has issues with us and is LOVING that she can use it against us.; August 12, 2010 at 12:05 PM
Trudy said...: Well it's not me. I'M NOT OLD.; August 12, 2010 at 12:09 PM
Lisa said...: Trudy!! :-) And welcome to everyone new!

Lee, I changed my name a bit so you know who I am...I sent that comment to you then realized you probably don't know who the hell "Lisa" is.

I've not been to MWOP but I can just imagine. I feel like I should go defend myself or something but if I do that, I'll spend another day glued to this computer. If anyone has anything they need or want to address to me, they can just come here and do it. Lord knows I'm not one to hide or deny, I'll own my shit but I'm not going to track people down to do it.; August 12, 2010 at 12:09 PM
Laura said...: It's possible I missed it, but thanks! I didn't really want to 'borrow' your information without asking.

I'm sorry you, Lisa and OD are getting raked ... I feel the same for MWOP as it frustrates the spit out of me that several people are insinuating that she's E-bitch.; August 12, 2010 at 12:10 PM
Shannon said...: I agree Law....and I want to let you know that if there is something here you have my permission so long as you dont do the whole out of context kind of stuff LOL I love it when people use my words against me by taking them out of context and such.

I get that people are speculating all over the place but come on MWOP and E dont even write the same way....any idiot that pays attention can tell that.; August 12, 2010 at 12:12 PM
Margo said...: Mulie - Liz is a liar, anything she told you should be taken with a grain of salt. She tweeted this week she was taking care of him when she hasn't even seen him in over a month. Lies, lies, lies.; August 12, 2010 at 12:13 PM
JustPeachy2 said...: I feel so lost. :/

I don't know anything about an SW or an old bitter woman, but I'm starting to see that this goes way way deeper than I had thought.

And Shannon, don't let them get to you. Trolls love to point fingers; it makes them feel less sad about living in their mother's basements.; August 12, 2010 at 12:14 PM
JustPeachy2 said...: :: and now I've offended the basement dwelling crowd::

;); August 12, 2010 at 12:14 PM
Robin in Montana said...: Peach - in this case, lost is a good place to be.; August 12, 2010 at 12:15 PM
Shannon said...: Oh I let it mostly roll off my back....MM got the big fat FU because if she wants to do the whole "oh her husband was in prison" card on me well then she should be accurate in her research and also see that my own child was a victim of a pedophile....those pieces of shit get no sympathy or compassion, their families can have it though.; August 12, 2010 at 12:16 PM
Shannon said...: LOL yes Robin....I want to be lost dammit why cant I be lost????; August 12, 2010 at 12:17 PM
JustPeachy2 said...: Probably so, Robin. I don't think there is really a chance for anyone to fully understand. I never donated or communicated directly with Elizabeth. I read her comments on MWOP though. Bizarre day.; August 12, 2010 at 12:17 PM
Sandy said...: Peachy, I'm the resident beer cooler filler person...please help yourself! LOL

"Trolls love to point fingers; it makes them feel less sad about living in their mother's basements." LMFAO!

Oh and sorry we only have Schlitz here.; August 12, 2010 at 12:17 PM
Lisa said...: Basement dwellers! That's good.

LAW, I don't care what anyone says about me. I tried to help someone, plain and simple. I went about it wrong, I made mistakes while doing it, but I've owned that and apologized many times over and now I'm doing everything I can to make it right. If that's not good enough for people, so be it. I just wish people had the balls to come here and say it to my face using real names instead of talking behind my back and hiding. I, personally, have nothing to hide about this situation and I've made that pretty damn clear. Lord, people are weird.; August 12, 2010 at 12:21 PM
Shannon said...: What I am loving at this point is that so many are having a hayday pointing those fingers and placing blame because SOMEONE ELSE didnt do their research.....why werent these people checking into things? Where were they with all of their information? Why is it that they can point fingers but at the same time supported them blindly because someone told them it was OK? I mean seriously if you are going to be blind about something you cant blame everyone else when you get your eyes opened.; August 12, 2010 at 12:24 PM
JustPeachy2 said...: @ Sandy: Thanks, don't mind if I do!

@Lisa, you know what they say: No good deed goes unpunished.; August 12, 2010 at 12:25 PM
suz said...: Morning Ladies! (Sitting Down next to Sandy with her flask of tequila)
Lisa/Ap I have been lurking and reading and really, enough apologizing! You did what you did with right intentions. The fall out will continue but should not be on you.; August 12, 2010 at 12:26 PM
Lisa said...: "What I am loving at this point is that so many are having a hayday pointing those fingers and placing blame because SOMEONE ELSE didnt do their research.....why werent these people checking into things?"

Exactly. If you (generically used here) hought they were scammers, why not find that information yourself that you seem to think was so easily find-able and make the rest of us look like idiots early on? You could have been the big ol' hero. Instead, you *chose to sit back and watch people get scammed. Nice, isn't it, looked at from that perspective?; August 12, 2010 at 12:28 PM
Robin in Montana said...: That is definitely another way to look at it. I *did feel something was off, but I sure as hell never did anything, not one thing, to look and see if my hunch that somethign was off had any basis. I had no clue it was this ugly, but I still did nothing to try and prevent people I cared about from getting sucked in. And yes, you can argue it's not my responsibility, and that's true, it's not. Still, that's good to keep in mind before you (generic) go ranting and raving about the 'irresponsibility' of the people who did try to help them and who did check out facts sufficient that they felt comfortable.; August 12, 2010 at 12:30 PM
JustPeachy2 said...: People are lazy. Period.

It's so obviously not anyone's fault other than Elizabeth and possibly Chris. You folk didn't force anyone to donate or care.; August 12, 2010 at 12:31 PM
Margo said...: Like I said, they are like buzzards on a fresh kill.; August 12, 2010 at 12:33 PM
Shannon said...: They are Margaret they really are. And yes people are lazy up until it is time to get that pointing finger exercised.; August 12, 2010 at 12:34 PM
Laura said...: ::waving:: Hi Lisa ...

Sometimes I 'gloss over' comments as I read them, but I don't recall seeing a lot of finger pointing, blaming, etc. There probably is/was though because you know when the shit hits the fan, there's always a bunch of people ducking and a bunch of others throwing!

Some people need to GROW UP! You (in general) can't fully vet every scam that comes your way! It's one thing to have first-hand information and another to blindly support every Tom, Dick and Hairy E-bitch that insinuates they need your money. From all I've read (I've had a raging case of insomnia the last two nights, so I HAVE READ), you and Shannon and others did the responsible thing 'vetting' Ebitch's story. Good liars are ... really good.

Sorry that crap like this puts people on the offensive/defensive and the bottom line is that people become cynical and skeptical ... maybe that's not always a bad thing!

Thanks for the warm welcome and not treating me like a scab for jumping in during such a controversial time!; August 12, 2010 at 12:36 PM
Muliebrity said...: I didn't mean to insinuate SW was negatively involved, at all. I am interested on her take, since I was under the impression from (the big fat liar) Liz, that she received helpful advise from her that helped with Chris' SSI claim.; August 12, 2010 at 12:37 PM
Sandy said...: (((Suz))) ::stealing a swig of tequila::; August 12, 2010 at 12:41 PM
Tara said...: OMG - you girls drink before 5?? I'm shocked. he he; August 12, 2010 at 12:43 PM
Margo said...: SUZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!; August 12, 2010 at 12:43 PM
Jennifer-Lynn said...: I’ve said some version of this before, and I’ll say it here, again.

I give from the heart. If the recipient ended up being a scamming, classless shit, that’s unfortunate, but that doesn’t reflect on me, the giver. I don’t give more than I can afford, which might have something to do with it. I hope I never become an embittered old shrew who calls people out because of their warm hearts and generosity, and I seriously hope that I never become too jaded to help someone I truly believe to be in need. Will I do more investigating on my own in the future, like I do with Charity Navigator? Yes. Will I continue to help people when I can? Absolutely.; August 12, 2010 at 12:45 PM
Robin in Montana said...: ::bursts into a rousing rendition of Jimmy Buffett and Alan Jackson's 'It's 5:00 Somewhere'"; August 12, 2010 at 12:45 PM
Gusgirl said...: <------hates drama.

But must offer my .02. EVERYONE got taken in this and it is no ones fault but ELIZBETH's. The ladies here are just kind people and helped out because of their kindness. Hindsight is always 20/20 and it is very easy to point fingers and say "so and so should have done more to check this out".

I'm so sorry that Daisies got taken and I am outraged for and with you.

As for all the ones who are coming here to point fingers, move on. Although I so suspect most of these are "old friends" who just enjoy trying to find dirt on people.

As for the newcomers who are here for answers and are being polite, these are a great group of ladies. I just started poting here a few weeks ago and already feel at home.

((((HUGS)))) and appetizers of you choosing to go around.; August 12, 2010 at 12:45 PM
Margo said...: Gusgirl - make sure to put a cover over the appetizers - we don't want the buzzards eating our food too :); August 12, 2010 at 12:48 PM
Gusgirl said...: <--------truly can use grammar correctly

"appetizers of *your choosing"; August 12, 2010 at 12:49 PM
Shannon said...: OOOOO I love appetizers :)

God that is reminding me that I have more shopping to do tomorrow in the earlyish part of the day since it is hubby's birthday. Yep Friday the 13th....hehehehe. He was actually born on Friday the 13th too and his mom loves telling me she should have known he would be trouble because of it :); August 12, 2010 at 12:51 PM
Sandy said...: Gusgirl...thanks for the appetizers. LOL; August 12, 2010 at 12:52 PM
Gusgirl said...: Will do, Margaret and I'll keep my broom handy for beating them away.; August 12, 2010 at 12:53 PM
suz said...: Hey Margaret! How ya doing?

Sandy, is C's room finished? I am wanting to paint, but really too lazy to do it. If I had the money I'd pay someone to do it. and watch... with a cooler of what ever was handy. ;)

Shannon! You are doing a great job here!; August 12, 2010 at 1:10 PM
Margo said...: I'm doing good Suz - a little upset that the summer is almost over :(; August 12, 2010 at 1:11 PM
Laura said...: Just a thought, but if E used Paypal to avert funds that WERE going to Chris into an account in her name, perhaps Paypal could be contacted and a formal complaint made there?; August 12, 2010 at 1:12 PM
Sandy said...: We're getting there Suz. New to us furniture comes tomorrow. I sit here when I should be emptying out two bedrooms of stuff. LOL; August 12, 2010 at 1:13 PM
suz said...: Margaret I am not a summer person, I like the cooler weather of the fall so I am not sorry summer is nearly over. You probably don't want your H to go back yet? More fun time with her?

Sandy, Wow she is going to be super excited with new furniture too! Ah, sitting here is better (passing Sandy the flask for another shot); August 12, 2010 at 1:15 PM
jmh said...: @Julie: MWOP comments are 'moderated' at night and sometimes posts are 'flagged' for approval. Are you certain that this is not the case in your situation? MWOP doesn't ban lightly and she's posted EVERY time a person has been banned and why. The running tally is 8 and AFAIK it's been for harassing posts. I saw your comment the other day - it wasn't harassing, just your opinion. I can't see her banning you for that.

Not meaning this rude to you AT ALL but I didn't post there the other day. I posted way back when the Chris thing first popped up. Sure, I threw in some comments about people being jealous of Mck's life, etc but mostly, I ranted about the Chris pic and how uncomfortable it made me (gut instinct is amazing too, huh?!) I was going forward given a message that "You are blocked from commenting on this site". So, I'll be honest, I couldn't care less if I can comment there or not. Because what I said was not as bad as some I've seen and I was immediately blocked. EXACTLY what some of those ladies go on and on about JM doing. So, the ridiculous-ness (is that a word?!) of that contradiction, seriously made MWOP completely UNcredible to me. Sure, I still read there. Mostly just to see how nit picky some can be. Now, please know that there are some valid points brought up over there. But the nit picky is so much more prominent. Just today, people are putting JM down for her weight, etc in the pic she posted. I think putting a woman down for her weight is one of the rudest things you can do - no matter how much you don't like her.

So, please don't think I'm saying anything to you at to be rude nor am I saying you do any of the things that make MWOP ridiculous to me. I just think the MWOP mod bans a TON more people than she (he?) lets on and I also think that the MWOP mod is simply too "anonymous" to have any internet credibility. But, that's just my personal opinion. I don't want anyone to agree with me. I just think that maybe MWOP followers/readers/regular commenters really don't know what what information they are getting much of the time from the mod.

Oopsie Daisy - reading here is good for me. Shannon and I had our differences back in the OHIH days (where I also felt the mod was trying to get donations). Shannon and I worked it out and I think she's doing awesome at keeping up oopsie. Internet drama is exciting...that's why we're all here. I do admittedly, however, think there are some very rude comments made about JM over things she cannot (easily) control - i.e., her weight, her hair, her sister, etc. Having a child with a seizure disorder, I cannot jump on board with judgement being passed for those things that one has no control. She is a human being after all. (Again, not directed at you but I will certainly make it known that I do have empathy for JM in certain situations. I don't know her. But I'm a mom and a human being too:)

Glad that I was welcomed here today!; August 12, 2010 at 1:18 PM
Lisa said...: I smell food! I shall make tiny mashed potato sandwiches with ketchup and mayo for everyone. I'll even cut them into little daisy shapes. Anyone want any? It's only a bit after 1 here. I have to wait until 2pm to drink. I like to give my body a 12 hour break each day. :-D

And Robin, sure you had doubts and sure, you could have checked. But the thing is, you're not now running around pointing fingers and saying "I told you so, you dumbfuck", you know? If a person is going to do *that, I'd like them to explain why, if they were so damn brilliant, they didn't try to stop it. The only reason I can see is that they wanted innocent people to get hurt. I'll stay on my stupid side of the fence and pass on the mean side, thankyouverymuch. And yeah, what BD said. I'll help people again. I may even get scammed again. It's worth it if it means that somewhere along the way, I'll really help someone who honestly needs it. What I won't do again if salespitch it and beat it into the ground like I did this. :-)

LAW said "scab"...I don't like that word. Blech.; August 12, 2010 at 1:19 PM
Sandy said...: She's is Suz. ::taking flask and downing the shot::; August 12, 2010 at 1:19 PM
Tara said...: Julie's statement about MWOP mod being too "anon" to have any internet credibility made me realize how much I love "knowing" the mods here. I can go to their blogs and read all about their kids, pets, mamas, and even see pictures of rooms in their houses. I like that.; August 12, 2010 at 1:22 PM
Robin in Montana said...: "She's is Suz"?

::takes Sandy's flask away:::; August 12, 2010 at 1:22 PM
Lisa said...: "I do admittedly, however, think there are some very rude comments made about JM over things she cannot (easily) control - i.e., her weight, her hair, her sister, etc."

I agree and dislike those comments, as well. I may be critical of her actions, but I don't like the personal appearance comments. Frankly, I still think she's sort of cute in a rustic, farmgirl kind of way.; August 12, 2010 at 1:23 PM
Sandy said...: ::burp:: Can I have a designated typer here? LOL; August 12, 2010 at 1:24 PM
jmh said...: OH AND OOPS!! I honestly did JUST remember that I also got into a little comment war one day early on at MWOP with another reader I knew from OHIH. But, this woman is also, in my opinion, ATTEMPTING to be a scam artist in ways. She does have a daughter with health issues but honestly, none of them ever made sense to me. She whined and cried and begged in non-begging words on OHIH, tried to start doing it on MWOP and then disappeared. I haven't "seen" her since but when I remembered that those comments from me, telling her I thought she was jealous, etc (honestly, her only comments where she was really fired up were ONLY when JM's gift card, iphone convo's were going on. That was the red flag for me. She "never had any money". "always had a problem with her 45 week 'preemie'" and ranted and raved about all her "issues".) I called her on what my opinion was and how she came across. AMAZINGLY, a couple other ladies from OHIH chimmed in and said that had felt the same way. Then, I was blocked and she was gone. I want to be honest when I post here so I did leave that out -- not intentionally -- I just suffer from CRS. Can't Remember Shit!

:) Thanks again for going easy on me here girls! Shannon knows I'm, ahem, passionate sometimes but I think she knows I'm honest, right Shannon?! (Remember our email convo's always included my info:); August 12, 2010 at 1:27 PM
jmh said...: "Frankly, I still think she's sort of cute in a rustic, farmgirl kind of way."

@Lisa aka AP - That really IS what it is isn't it?! (Say that fast 5 times!!) But seriously, that description is very spot on for her. Awww!! I think you just had a JM, kumbaya(sp?) moment!! Good for you! :); August 12, 2010 at 1:29 PM
Laura said...: @Julie - I mis-read then, sorry! When I read your comment HERE about his pic looking photoshopped, I recalled a similar comment at MWOP and thought that was you.

I didn't think your reply was rude at all! And I appreciate you sharing your opinion/experience.

@Lisa aka AP ... my son picks his - it is so nasty!

@OD ... it will be 5 o'clock here in 3.5 hours, but the tap has run dry!; August 12, 2010 at 1:29 PM
suz said...: Robin, LOL!

Enough tequila for Sandy today, putting on a pot of coffee.

Lisa, mashed potato sammies with ketchup sounds..interesting!; August 12, 2010 at 1:30 PM
Shannon said...: I can attest to that with Julie.....just like she knows I am the same way. :)

Is it bad that I want chicken salad to eat and it is only 1030? Can you have lunch for breakfast?; August 12, 2010 at 1:30 PM
JustPeachy2 said...: Julie, I know exactly who you are talking about, and I thought it was weird that she dropped off the face of the earth too.; August 12, 2010 at 1:31 PM
Gusgirl said...: Julie,

Have you tried posting again? I have only posted on MWOP a few times, but there is a glitch sometimes and you get the banned message, although you aren't really if you try again.

And I agree with you, too, about the comments about things JM can't control. Way over the top in my opinion.; August 12, 2010 at 1:32 PM
Shannon said...: And believe me though Julie and I have had some serious go rounds....I know that she is honest and she definitely says what is on her mind about things :); August 12, 2010 at 1:32 PM
Robin in Montana said...: Shannon -- Seriously. How long have you known me? Lunch for breakfast is the *only way to go. Traditional breakfast is for when you've been drinking and it's 2:30 a.m. and you're in a Denny's. Duh. :); August 12, 2010 at 1:32 PM
Sandy said...: ::ears perking up from drunken stupor:: Denny's?; August 12, 2010 at 1:35 PM
Shannon said...: LMAO that is so true Robin hahahahaha I dont know why but it feels like I am drinking before noon :); August 12, 2010 at 1:35 PM
KaytieJ said...: E - Phew! Glad I acted on that inkling I had re: the possible misunderstanding. All this drama going down it is so easy to miss out on new friends! Glad you came back. And you are right...not the best time for your screen name. LOL!

Love me some appetizers-thank you! NO chili though!; August 12, 2010 at 1:36 PM
jmh said...: "Julie's statement about MWOP mod being too "anon" to have any internet credibility made me realize how much I love "knowing" the mods here. I can go to their blogs and read all about their kids, pets, mamas, and even see pictures of rooms in their houses. I like that."

ME TOO!!!!!!, Tara in NC. I thought about how much I love "knowing" Shannon earlier and I just about commented to whoever it was *trying* to be a smart ass and say some dumb shit about Shannon's husband -- I was about to comment (and think I will...):

HA! How funny that you bring up something about Shannon's husband; thinking that you had some insider information. All you have to do is go to Shannon's blog and I betcha somewhere on there, she has been open and honest about a lot of aspects of her life; maybe even this one. So, you, (whatever the commenter's name was), need to realize what an ass you've just made of yourself. You are trying to tell Shannon's life story. Find your own life story. First step to that, is get that life!! Then, you can start telling your story - which probably ain't all marigolds - OH YEAH -- THAT was her name! :); August 12, 2010 at 1:38 PM
Tara said...: Shannon - I just gotta say with all that's going on, if I were in your shoes? I would be drunk right now for real!; August 12, 2010 at 1:38 PM
Shannon said...: So for anyone who is reading here and reading MWOP...you may notice the Tina has some issues with many of us here. She is bitter about the fact that we called BS on her many times. You can take it as you will but I refuse to comment to her over there because honestly her issues are with us and I dont think that is shows much moxie to be a bitch and involve other people.

And remember that as she points all her fingers she hasnt commented on MWOP for quite sometime but as soon as this comes up she in all about it :); August 12, 2010 at 1:40 PM