Thursday, July 1, 2010

Controversy day?

Things have been pretty tame as of late. We have discussed spanking with weapons. We have discussed having  more kids then you can afford or adequately provide for. We have talked about women presidents. What else is there?

We could discuss how politicians allow their religious views or backers to control or influence how they vote. We could discuss how special interests and pocket liners are slowly ruining our nation.

The Preamble to the Constitution of the United States of America ready:

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Is this still true today or  has power and money taken over?

188 comments:

Margaret said...

Power and money have taken over.

Shannon said...

Margaret I dont think politicians even see the average American anymore....if they dont have CEO or something after their name they dont exsist.

Melissa said...

As un-politically involved as I am I'd like to agree with Margaret. I think that power and money have taken over.

Continuing from previous thread-I don't think that her hair looks bad. To me it's definitely an improvement over the other picture she had posted. But what do I know because I don't regularly color my hair. I'm not a stylist/colorist nor do I play one on tv.

Anemone Pie said...

From the last thread, since I'm like a dog with a bone... ;-)

"I totally understand what you are saying AP and while I don't think that other cultures will change their views of women that's not a reason for us not to move forward."

I disagree, Margaret. We've waged war against two of those nations and looking at probable war with more. To elect a woman, at least *now or in the foreseeable future, would be a grave mistake, imo. How would it ever be a good idea to elect a president that those we are warring against would have no respect for and not be willing to listen to? And then, if we think oof the possible retribution it could entail, if we have a woman telling them what to do in their own country...?

"Is this still true today or has power and money taken over?"

Power and money has always been a factor, I think, since the beginning and in *any government. What I feel has taken over is a mix of political-correctness and an enormous lapse in morals.

Robin in Montana said...

See, Melissa, I agree again. And I hate her hair in those modeling pics -- looks like a ratty-ass mess, dry and bad color, and I thought it looked shiny and healthy in the 'after' pic of her color. I wouldn't want my hair that shade either, so I get that she was mad. But just in the big scheme of things, really? It's worth 18 gazillion words of ranting? But I'm getting old and crotchety, so what do I know? I think she is a very beautiful woman, and a smokin' body for popping out seven kids.

I think power and money have taken over, too. I think the Constitution is only used when it's nice and convenient.

Shannon said...

LOL Melissa I have given up on coloring my hair...the gray wants to take over and sure I can keep wasting money on color but it only makes a difference for about 3 days. I think it is rather flattering on her but I am not the one that has to live in it.

Anemone Pie said...

And while I'm at it (gotta talk before real like and eye crap takes over my day!), y'all know I'm no Christian but I was raised around it and I'm so stinking tired of people griping about things like the Ten Commandments in public buildings. Admittedly, I could do without Commandments 1 and 3, if they were just called The Ten Good Rules To Live By" and a few adjustments made to 1 and 3, would anyone object? Wouldn't it be a better nation if we all *did live by at least 8 of them? But oh, no, it's not politically correct and "we" just can't stop being offended by 1 and 3 since they aren't alllllll about us personally (me, me, me society), so they have to go.

Lol, that felt good.

Shannon said...

This may be very un-PC but I think that a lot of the ammendments to the constitution have done more harm then good.

Anemone Pie said...

I'm still here and don't want to leave. Dammit, you picked a heck of a day to start this, Shannon (but glad you did!).

Which Amendments are you referring to? Not that I disagree, I'm just curious which you mean.

Melissa said...

Blogger ate my comment. WTH! Maybe this time Blogger will play nicely with me. I'll see if I can remember what exactly I said.

I agree that she's attractive. I just felt like the post was a little self indulgent. I agree, RiM, that in the grand scheme of things that it really wasn't as bad as she made it out to be. At least her hair didn't come out orange juice orange.

Then again I've been touchy today too.

Melissa said...

I don't think that we should remove "in God we trust" from our money nor should we remove the Ten Commandments from our buildings. It bothers me to an extent. I think "we" have gotten a little too big for our britches and we're too quick to say "that offends me, get rid of it". Instead "we" should just buck up and learn to deal with it. Not everyone is always going to agree with everything/everyone. It's a part of being such a diverse country.

Shannon said...

I think that a lot of them opened too many doors to allow the govt to twist around them and such.

The ones I dont like are the one for the electoral college. I get at the time maybe it was a good idea but seriously it was made 206 years ago it shoulnt have been an ammendment.

Prohibition was an ammendment in the constitution,that never should have been there.

Ammending the constitution so the federal govt could receive income taxes.

There are several that really just irritate me more then anything as they should have covered everyone in the first place.

Like the 15th ammendment says that race, color or status as a slave formerly cannot ban someone from voting.....that was in 1870 but then they added in 1920 that sex was not a reason to not allow someone to vote.

That one right there reminded me of what you said last night AP about how people could vote for Obama before a woman because at least he is a man....took women 50 years to even get the right to vote after black men....makes you wonder really how far we have come.

Margaret said...

The countries we're at war with have little respect for us or their people male or female now. So when I vote I really don't think about them - I think about what I believe is best for our country.

Shannon said...

See Melissa with the money thing I dont have a problem with it but honestly I have a big issue with walking into a court house with the Ten Commandments on the front steps and then being told to swear on a bible. If you dont believe in those things what is the message you are getting? If you dont believe in the bible what does swearing on it do?

Melissa said...

Shannon-you make a good point. I honestly hadn't thought of that before. I don't think that you should be swearing on a bible period. An oath is what is is whether or not a bible is present, imo.

Shannon said...

Melissa I agree it is odd to swear on a bible....Like I said I dont believe in the bible so does that mean that the oath I just said isnt valid? The religious symbols to me just dont belong so prevelantly in courts and govt buildings and such. The money thing I have no problem with because dammit it is the words of our founding fathers people need to get over it already.

Robin in Montana said...

Re: Swearing on the bible, do they really do that any more, anyway? I swore witnesses in in court, all the time, and never with a Bible. Sometimes I would say, the "so help you God" portion, sometimes not. If someone is swearing to tell the truth, IMO, it's not a matter of whether it's on a BIble, or "so help you God," because if you're the kind of person who is going to lie under oath, you're the kind of person who is going to lie under oath, Bible, God, Xenu, whatever, aside.

Shannon said...

Robin I really dont know if they do that in court or not LOL I havent spent too much time in them to know :)

Margaret said...

I don't have a problem with taking down the 10 commandments - any good christian knows we live under grace :)

Robin in Montana said...

Hee, Shannon! I don't think they do. The standard swear-in for witnesses, though, says, "Do you solemnly swear or affirm that the testimony you are about to give in the cause now pending shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?"

Shannon said...

I dont think God can help me LOL

Muliebrity said...

Dammit! I've been sitting on the other post!

Anemone Pie said...

I'm back - it was meant to be. ;-) The a/c was out at the doctor's office and they had to reschedule me for next week. I tried it but it was just to damn hot in there for me.

"Instead "we" should just buck up and learn to deal with it. Not everyone is always going to agree with everything/everyone. It's a part of being such a diverse country."

Exactly, Melissa. I couldn't agree more. Even if it's removed, then some will be offended with *that and there's just no making everyone happy. When that's the case, why not defer to tradition, especially since it's not like it's *bad...just different to what you believe? That's another problem I think we have in this country...we aren't allowing ourselves to develop real and lasting traditions on a national level. People need that and need to embrace it, even if it's not exactly what you believe, in order to feel like a cohesive nation where we're all in this thing together. Um, did that last part make sense?

Muliebrity said...

"we aren't allowing ourselves to develop real and lasting traditions on a national level. People need that and need to embrace it, even if it's not exactly what you believe, in order to feel like a cohesive nation where we're all in this thing together."

So true.

Anemone Pie said...

I've never had to swear on a Bible, for whatever that's worth. I have had to swear to tell the truth, As RObin said. I do think that's going by the wayside and frankly, I am glad for that. It's one thing to have the Ten Commandments posted in a lobby but another thing entirely to ask someone to take a personal oath on a religious instrument they don't believe in.

Margaret, you and I definitely vote differently, then. When we're pissing off nations that could have the capability of blowing us apart with nuclear weapons, I think we *must vote with them in mind.

Muliebrity said...

This is my controversy for the day:

I just called BS on this "guy"

http://theblogfrog.com/1322951/forum/37382/because-inquiring-minds-want-to-know.html

Muliebrity said...

I haven't had time to fact check myself, but didn't Pakistan elect a female president (or equivalent)?

Robin in Montana said...

Mulie - you did call BS? It's just not showing up yet then. But I don't buy that story for one hot second, either. No way, no how.

Robin in Montana said...

Oh,never mind, I see your thread, Mulie!

Muliebrity said...

I started a new thread.

Anemone Pie said...

Shannon, re: the Amendments, I honestly have no big issues with any of the Amendments but for the 12th, which redefined elections. Imo, to made everything far too complicated and is a main reason we aren't really a Democracy. The rest pretty much fined tuned things, I think, even if not perfect.

Anemone Pie said...

Pakistan elected Benazir Bhutto as Prime Minister a couple of times but she was removed by the President of Pakistan each time. I believe she was assassinated a couple of years back, if memory serves. I do know that while she was elected, she was actually still a fairly conservative Muslim who, while viewing women as people and not property, did not believe in equality for women as we know it.

Anemone Pie said...

Mulie, I'd like to know how he ended on on SIF's BF...does he say?

Muliebrity said...

He just showed up right after she did a blog post about how she thought she'd never have sex again. Probably some female reader with a creative mind. People are weird. I don't think he's ever been anywhere else on BF.

Anemone Pie said...

Heh. I came back and killed it. I can take a hint, so I'm going to farm and then go shopping. :-P

Margaret said...

I was about to say - I wonder who "he" really is.

Muliebrity said...

It could be someone we alrealy know on BF or one of SIFs blog readers playing games. Who knows? I just knew I couldn't be the only one thinking. I could have let it ride and called him on it when suddenly his horrible parents cut him off and he was desperate for money or something.

Shannon said...

This story makes me very very happy

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100701/ap_on_re_us/us_kidnapped_girl_settlement

The family of Jaycee Dugard who was kidnapped and held for 18 years by a convicted sex offender won a 20 million dollar lawsuit claiming that the state failed to properly supervise the man who did it.

KaytieJ said...

Afternoon Daisies! Missed the hair thing. It wasn't all about my hair :-D

If the US wanted a leader based on other countries' preferences, we would not have Obama for President. Obama was voted in as an "in your face" to those other countries and for his hope he gave us of change on the domestic and foreign situations.

KaytieJ said...

Shannon -
I think a lot has turned to just money and power, but there are politicians that do care and are working hard to make it better.

I have been at a few events that US Senator Wyden has spoken at on behalf of getting businesses to hire National Guardsmen on their return home. He seems genuinely concerned and is actively working on this. He is from Oregon and so I wondered what your thoughts on him are.

Shannon said...

I think that there are two that I have seen from Oregon who actually are an exception to the rule of politicians. Wyden is one of those and Congressman Peter DeFazio is the other. I am sure that every state has a few who remember why they are in office. It is definitely unfortunate that not more remember that WE are the reason they are in office. Personally I would love it if they cut the salaries of all politicians in at least half and made the money less of a reson to get into politics.

Margaret said...

Funny stuff - http://stuffchristianslike.net/

KaytieJ said...

Thank you Shannon for your input. Since I am not in Oregon, I did not want to presume in your State, but I have followed Wyden for years and he has my respect. Personally, I wish he would run for Pres. He is a good man with the focus towards the people, very smart, and lots of experience with the big players in DC.

KaytieJ said...

http://stuffchristianslike.net/

I went. I read. Very random. Relief in a way - thought it would be about shape, size and decor of font bowls :-D

Anemone Pie said...

Margaret, for whatever reason, I was expecting that site to be a funny one, like Landover Baptist. While it's not really my cup of tea, it seems like a nice site. :-)

Anemone Pie said...

"If the US wanted a leader based on other countries' preferences, we would not have Obama for President. Obama was voted in as an "in your face" to those other countries"

I stopped the quote here since I agreed with your last part but this? I just couldn't disagree more.

Anemone Pie said...

I just had an email from Tee's mom...she's in the hospital and would love some phone calls to keep her company. If anyone would like to call her (and only if I know you knew Tee), please send me an email at anemonepie at yahoo and I'll pass on the hospital room number and phone number there.

Shannon said...

Oh I hope she is ok. I have been thinking of her a lot lately.

Muliebrity said...

anyone heard from Kay? She's been on my mind this week.

Shannon said...

I worry about Kay a lot too.....They are both for the most part very good people and I hate hearing of the things they have to deal with.

Shannon said...

So Mulie knows this story already but I just wanted to post here and ask that anyone who reads to please pray or if you dont pray send some thoughts and energy to this young lady.

http://onegirl-itjusttakesone.blogspot.com/

I have 'met' her through SIF's BF. She is 17 I do believe and pretty amazing for someone so young. She should be worrying about her senior year of high school but instead has had a lot of health issues. She had an MRI on Tuesday and the doctor called her to come into the office the next day. They found a brain tumor. She is leaving for Miami tomorrow (Friday)for further testing and to set up her surgery day which will probably be early next week.

Just keep her in your thoughts please that everything goes smoothly and she can get on with life as normal.

Thanks

Anemone Pie said...

I have not heard from Kay and also worry about her very much. Kay, if you read this and can, please let us know how you are.

I checked that blog, Shannon...so very sad for such a young girl to deal with but she seems to have a great attitude and that will help her a lot, hopefully.

KaytieJ said...

Kay - I have been thinking of you, too. Please check in when able.

Shannon said...

AP she does have a fabulous attitued and some strong faith....I just hope they find everything easy and are able to take care of it all nice and easy and get her on her way.

I think a big part of it is that she is the same age as my son......why does the mom in me get me so hard when it is something like this that it really could be my kid?

From what I have gotten to know with her she is such a good kid and I just hope she gets to have a nice long life.

KaytieJ said...

AP- Glad you disagree with me. Makes the world right.
I still believe that some people voted for Obama because he is such a difference from the the very white, established, veteran that could without a doubt fit the bill for what those other countries would see as the right "type of man" they would be willing to deal with.

KaytieJ said...

Shannon - My hopes and prayers go out to her. In my line of work, I see so many teenagers go through so many life altering traumas and brain injuries. It is heart breaking. And it makes me humble when I am around them and their families. Their strength is in that they are young and loved. Thank you for sharing.

Anemone Pie said...

"AP- Glad you disagree with me. Makes the world right. I still believe that some people voted for Obama because he is such a difference from the the very white..."

Smartass. ;-)
And now I'm not sure we're disagreeing. I think ew may be agreeing but looking at the same act from different perspectives. I've always owned that a big part of why I voted for him was because with our position as one of the biggest shit-ass countries in the world we were in, electing a dark skinned man with an Arabic name and a vaguely Muslim background could be one of the best moves we ever made in relation to world policy and improving others' view of us. Up until his refusal to waive the Jones Act, I think this *did improve how other countries view us. And yes, I wanted to vote against the rich, old, white man standard we've had, as well. I will even admit to really, really liking the very "friends" some objected to. I like the Rev. Jeremiah White and I like Van Jones...a lot. I even like Bill Ayers, had he not tried to actually hurt people. I draw lines there but I respect him for having strong beliefs and actively trying to accomplish them, even if I disagree with how he went about it. My long-winded point is that I even supported Obama's more radical (possible) ideals. To this day, I'll give him credit for how he's handling Israel, for example. I still want to love the man as much as I did...I just can't.

Anemone Pie said...

"I think a big part of it is that she is the same age as my son......why does the mom in me get me so hard when it is something like this that it really could be my kid?"


Hmmm. Because you're normal? I don't know. I mean, she's only a year off from Jake and I admit that when I read her blog, I never even related her to him. That probably says something bad about me as a mom and something really good about you.

KaytieJ said...

::twirling:: I have not had the pleasure of being called smartass in, oh...4 days :-D

KaytieJ said...

OOps...hit enter too fast. AP - Yes, we are not disagreeing, we are stating it from both sides. You are much more PC about it than I was :-D

Robin in Montana said...

Whew, I almost had a nervous breakdown,thought I missed the first episode of Big Brother!

Margaret said...

I can't get into big brother - I would like to see another surreal live. The one with Peter Brady and mini-me was so funny!

Shannon said...

AP I have an overactive momma hen instinct in me...it doesnt extend to all kids in all situations bu tit is still there big time.

Shannon said...

My mom loves big brother but I have never watched it...I was never able to get really into it.

And I am taking that trashy leap with margaret...I LOVE SURREAL LIFE!!!!

Margaret said...

You said how I feel about these types of situations, "She should be worrying about her senior year of high school but instead has had a lot of health issues". So sad.

Margaret said...

Mini-me moaning, growning and peeing in the corner - now that's entertainment!

Shannon said...

Oh yes and with Janice Dickenson and Omarosa trying to kill each other....that was freaking fabulous

Anemone Pie said...

Hi, hi! Look at that, Kay called me politically correct. Kay is obviously delusional. :-D

How's everyone today?

So, Shannon, we didn't fight about politics, nor did we get any new faces, even though it was good to talk about a serious topic. Any other ideas to stir shit up?

Margaret said...

I just read on mwop that one of JM's friends contacted mwop asking her to take down the site that it's not good for JM's health. What do you think?

Anemone Pie said...

I think that's too damn bad.

Melissa said...

I call bs. How can a website for pete's sake be detrimental to someone's health? I'd be willing to bet that JM is tired of the inconsistencies being brought to light. But that's me. I'm over her and her shenanigans.

Anemone Pie said...

Melissa's right. And I don't think it's nearly as detrimental to her health as it is to her *wealth. I'd bet that's the true problem, right there. Of course, that, in turn, could be giving her financial worries that could affect her health, but that's no one's fault but hers and Israel's.

Anemone Pie said...

What do you think, Margaret?

And I'm off to the Dollar Tree. Anyone need anything?

Melissa said...

Nope AP, I can't think of anything that I need from the Dollar Tree. That doesn't mean I couldn't go in there and spend $20 though!

Margaret said...

I think it's BS too.

We don't have a good dollar store by us but I love to go when we go to NC.

Anemone Pie said...

I'm still here. Jake takes longer than a girl to get ready.

I don't need anything from there either, exactly. I'm sure I'll need several things once I see them, though. ;-) Margaret, y'all don't have Dollar Trees or 99 Cent stores? That's just not right.

KaytieJ said...

:::nodding::: AP, re: your vote reasoning was about as PC as one can get :-D Loved it.
As for Dollar Tree - do they still sell Pez?

Margaret said...

We have dollar stores but all they sell is sand paper toilet paper and cheap fake flowers.

Margaret said...

disclaimer: I should have said we don't have good dollar stores :)

Robin in Montana said...

Or as my aunt always called it, "John Wayne toilet paper" -- rough and tough and don't take shit off of anybody. :-D

KaytieJ said...

there.went.my.pepsi. LOL! Your aunt was a feisty one, eh?! <----I feel Canadian today

Anemone Pie said...

"As for Dollar Tree - do they still sell Pez?"

They do! And they had Olay Botanical Infusions in assorted scents for $1...I got all three scents. If they make me itch, I'll give them to someone. I'm hoping they don't, especially the one with patchouli in it. I love patchouli.

I spent $11...not so bad.

KaytieJ said...

Good score AP! One of few shopping adventures I like is the Dollar Store - load up on toothbrushes and pastes, toiletries (no John Wayne stuff). I have even found hard back books that I like there. Books are getting so darned expensive!

KaytieJ said...

Melissa - You're killing me with that Cupcake avatar. Looks so darned good! I know you like to bake, have not been to your blog for awhile. Are you baking up anything special for the 4th?

Muliebrity said...

Margaret, I hear there is a Christmas (Tree?) Shop near you now. Have you been there?

Muliebrity said...

This blog post made me laugh a little.

http://consciouslyfrugal.blogspot.com/2010/06/powerlessness-is-delusion.html

Melissa said...

Kaytie-Tonight I'm making a cake for a bridal shower. I'm spazzing myself out about it because I want to be sure it comes out nice. I might do a trifle for the 4th or maybe just some cupcakes.

Anemone Pie said...

"http://consciouslyfrugal.blogspot.com/2010/06/powerlessness-is-delusion.html"

Well, *that was amusing. :-D

Muliebrity said...

And, damn, if I don't find myself agreeing with the crazy woman again.

http://stevenandersonfamily.blogspot.com/2010/06/question-and-answer.html

Anemone Pie said...

Mulie, I often agree with her and even when I don't, I get a kick out of her. She never manages to offend me, probably because, above all else, I like her conviction and the fact she'll back up her opinions and explain them.

Muliebrity said...

for as much as I feel brain dead after having kids, her's still seems to be working. wonder what her secret is.

Anemone Pie said...

I think she's just incredibly happy with her life. That's not to say you aren't with yours and God knows I'd have had an accidental-on-purpose overdose if I had her life, but I think that's what it is.

KaytieJ said...

Melissa - Make the trifle! I know it is tricky and stressful but the effect (and taste) is delightful. My mom used to make that for Mother's Day tea.
However, cupcakes are so variable with the way you can make, present and decorate and so those would be a big hit, too. Good luck with whichever you choose!

KaytieJ said...

Mulie - Just asking. Since you put it out there, which parts are you agreeing with on the Q & A?

Anemone Pie said...

Now, see? I wanted to ask that but was trying to behave and not instigate since I already aggravate enough people. *sighs happily* It takes teamwork.

KaytieJ said...

Well, I read the blog - speed reading admittedly, and so I may not get an A+ for comprehension on all the Q&A questions/responses - And so, nosy me, just wanted to clarify before I jumped in with a response.

Margaret said...

Mulie - there is a store in old town Alexandria the Christmas Attic. It's really cute.

http://www.christmasattic.com/

Muliebrity said...

Since when I am at the computer these days I only have one hand free, lots of typing is a PIA. Guess which ones I agree with her on. ;-)

I thought you were in MD, Margaret? I think the Christmas (Tree?) Shop is in Annapolis.

Shannon said...

Morning ladies....I sooo need a vacation!!!!!

KaytieJ said...

Where would your destination spot be Shannon!
Oh and good morning, afternoon, evening all :-D

Mulie - I think she made solid sense for homeschooling.

DH started power washing roof at the crack of dawn. I've been running around soaking up leaks. Time for a new roof. Sigh.

Shannon said...

Somewhere far far away probably without anyone I live with where I can be catered to hand and foot with no responsibilities.

Muliebrity said...

Kaytie, I like her take on homeschooling. We have been on the fence about it and my husband is up for whatever. I just have been doubting my ability to effectively teach my children.

Shannon said...

Personally I think homeschooling is more about structure and patience LOL

I thought about homeschooling Chris because he had so much trouble in school but I knew that I seriously lacked on both counts.

KaytieJ said...

Mulie - I seriously looked at homeschooling with my son, since he has such a hard time staying focused in the classroom setting. I just knew, though, that even with all the great support and networks around here, I just do not have the ability to be effective. I admire anyone that can do it effectively and enjoy it.
I think you are smart to ask yourself is it right for you first. Hope that makes sense, and sorry for all the "I"s.

KaytieJ said...

Shannon - when you find that place, let us know. Quite a few Daisies will be standing in line for that destination!

Anemone Pie said...

Well, except from 5th through 10th grades, we homeschooled and I have to say that unless a parent is willing to used an accredited, well-rounded homeschooling program that involves guidance from outside professionals, I don't think most parents have any business homeschooling the middle and high school years. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad we did it...Jake is a misfit who just doesn't work well in a typical school environment. His elementary school was excellent, allowed for individuality, and he thrived in a few years he spent there but middle and high school was a dismal mess. I still believe traditional school is best for most kids *if you can get them in a really good one that doesn't see them as income-makers, be it public or proivate. So, there you go - the view of a homeschooling mom who isn't a huge fan of homeschooling.

Anemone Pie said...

Huh, I said that wrong. It was 5th through 9th. See? I can't even count.

KaytieJ said...

LOL AP - at your counting. And I do agree with what you are saying.
Around here, there are a lot of accredited programs and many home schooled kids. There are also a lot of religious based home school circles. Mostly Apostolic Lutheran. I don't know much about those programs.

Anemone Pie said...

I don't know either, Kaytie. I know A BEKA used to be excellent if you were wanting a truly good education mixed with Christian teachings and values but for all I know, there are better programs out there. We basically unschooled, though, when he was younger. It was what he needed but again, I'd never recommend it for everyone.

Anemone Pie said...

I was driving home a bit ago and (don't even ask the chain of thought that went into this) was nosy about something so, I'll ask. :-D What do y'all want done with yourselves when you die? Organ donor or not? Buried, cremated, flown into space, make into a diamond? And where do you want your remains to wind up, as in geographical location?

KaytieJ said...

AP - Organ Donor, Cremated, River.
You forgot to state your wishes :-D

KaytieJ said...

Did that blogger Mulie posted recommend home school for everyone? I missed that if she did. I need to stick to Barefoot Foodie. That blog I understand and she is hilarious.

Anemone Pie said...

Well, I'm an organ donor because I felt it was only right to donate if I'd support a loved one who wished to receive an organ. I would not do so myself. I'm rethinking this, now, however. Otherwise, cremated and dumped in Norris Lake (TN) with my dad if I die soon or dumped off my backyard into the Cumberland River if I'm living back in KY by then. But, in the last couple of years I've been giving serious thought to donating myself to the Body Farm in Knoxville. I like knowing I could help people even after I die, you know? But if anyone who loves me would be bothered by this option, I'd never do it.

This isn't a good time to ask what everyone is doing for dinner, is it?

Anemone Pie said...

Let me clarify, I'm rethinking being a donor, not accepting an organ.

Margaret said...

Mulie - I live in VA.

I want to be cremated and sprinkled on a hill overlooking the potomac where DH, DD and I had our first picnic together.

I am an organ donor. AP, why are you rethinking organ donation?

KaytieJ said...

You can still be a body donor after organ donation. I will double check that.
Having real cadavers and parts in Anatomy helped me greatly in college. To me it is a noble gift to higher education.

And I am currently baking potatos and getting the steaks ready for grilling. Spinach salad prepped.

Glad you brought up the subject AP. So many are scared to talk about that and code statuses.

Shannon said...

I know for sure I will be cremated I have told everyone that I will be a ghost regardless but dammit if you want Shannon the friendly ghost you will NOT put my ass in a box and put me under the ground!!!

I want to have my ashes speread in the Pacific unless someone wants to take me to Egypt to the pyramids :)

I have not yet decided about if I will be an organ donor or not. Part of me wants to because it will help others out but part of me wants to be whole...it is weird.

Muliebrity said...

I feel strongly about organ donation. I honestly don't understand why a person would choose not to donate healthy organs and tissue to people who would otherwise die. It really makes no sense to me. You don't need it and it will be literally turned to ash or pickled.

In case you haven't already figured it out, I am an organ donor and I would like to be cremated. I have told my husband that if the he and the kids would like to paint me up and weep over my coffin, they can do so, but I think that is a big fat waste of time, money, and effort. I say that since the living are left to deal with the death, then do what makes them feel better. I have said I want to be cremated though.

My husband is undecided, because he hopes to be raised from the dead by aliens, but is thinking of being cremated, so he can't be turned to a zombie and be forced to become a solider of the Army of the Living Dead. I would choose to cremate him unless he was killed in relation to the military. If that were the case, I think I would have him buried in a National Cemetery.

Muliebrity said...

Don't know if you have ever heard of this group, but it originated in St Louis 7-10 years ago. They call themselves Zombie Squad.

http://zombiehunters.org/

Anemone Pie said...

"I am an organ donor. AP, why are you rethinking organ donation?"

Because I feel it's playing God, saying that God made a mistake and I'm not comfortable with that in any form and become even less so the older I get. God doesn't make mistakes...this is what He intended for that person. As a side issue, I also don't think it's right for anyone to benefit monetarily from parts of a body.

Good morning, all! Mulie, I'd never heard of the Zombie Squad but what a good organization! I love the "spin" they've put on it, great marketing play!

Jeanette said...

Hi everyone! Just stopping in to wish everyone a happy 4th!

Anonymous said...

"Because I feel it's playing God, saying that God made a mistake and I'm not comfortable with that in any form and become even less so the older I get. God doesn't make mistakes...this is what He intended for that person."

Interesting. Do you follow this tho=inking in everything? Like eye surgery or eye problems in general? Wouldn't cataracts and other eye problems be in "God's" will for that person?

Anemone Pie said...

Hi, Jeanette, same to you and yours!

Hi, C, it's nice to meet you that's an good question. Sure, God created cataracts but fixing them won't alter the course of her natural life. I don't have issues with all medical intervention in the least - only that which alters the natural beginning or ending of life. I'm all for setting broken bones, stitching up gaping wounds, even more "modern" things like taking care of cataracts, cochlear implants, etc...things that make life better while it exists without altering the natural run. I do try to follow it in all my thinking, yes. Occasionally I run across something and realize I'm being hypocritical so I try to correct that but hey, I'm human. ;-) Anything else you'd like to ask me?

suz said...

Hey daisies!! Stopping in to wish everyone a Happy Independence Day! What ever you do enjoy. Deep thanks to our military men and women serving our country, including three in my family.
On organ donorship.. Not one currently, not sure why really. I want to be cremated too, ashes in the ocean or the Sierra mountains.
Well I am out, have a super day everyone

Anemone Pie said...

Hi, Suz, and hope y'all have a happy 4th, too! Funny how so far we're all wanting to be cremated...hmmm...

kristin said...

Hey Suz, Jeanette, AP, C and all others!

Happy 4th!

I too want to be cremated :) or donate my body for Science.

I am a donor.

AP - I got to thinking after C posted.

Do you think God made certain people smarter and that maybe he intended for those to come up with ways to help others? Doctors and researchers to prolong life or save those dying, cancer treatments, stem cell research, et al?

Just a thought....

Anemone Pie said...

Sure, it's possible, Kristin and hi!!. It's so good to see you again. :-) Anyway, I'm not in God's mind so I sure wouldn't claim anything I believe to be a fact but that has an element of game playing in it to me and the God I believe in isn't much of a game player, you know? And it's those same "smarter" people who created nuclear weapons, chemical warfare, etc. Are we supposed to use those, as well, because God gave some smarter people the power to create them? Just thinking out loud here...well, and putting you on the spot. ;-)

Erin Lutz said...

Popping in from doing 1 million projects. Hope everyone is having a great summer.

I see your point on this AP:
"Because I feel it's playing God, saying that God made a mistake and I'm not comfortable with that in any form and become even less so the older I get. God doesn't make mistakes...this is what He intended for that person." but I have to think that if it would save my child(ren), or myself thus having more time with said child(ren) I would have no problem being on either end of donation.
Also, if god makes no mistakes, would that apply to organ transplants for birth defects/genetic problems only? What if you needed an organ b/c of trama from an accident or exposure?

I don't really want to be cremated, but I don't want my children to feel an obligation to go 'visit' my remains at a cemetary. Or feel bad if they *don't. There is a program that allows your remains to be mixed with something (cement, metal, ??) and sunken in a man made reef in the Atlantic. We fish at alot of these reefs as a family, and I would much rather them rememer me while doing that.

Erin Lutz said...

This is one of the organizations. Kristin you would like this.
http://www.eternalreefs.com/

Anemone Pie said...

Erin, when it comes to transplants, I have problems with them for anyone and for any reason. Just my own beliefs, though, and nothing I'd ever try to enforce on others legally or anything.

I love the reef idea, it's lovely and a nice way for them to remember you. I never knew about this program.

Erin Lutz said...

Isn't the reef a great idea? I think the whole *process would be much better than a tradition funeral as well.

kristin said...

AP - I didn't think of that side of things.

I get where you are coming from but I think a lot of things now are man made - more pollutants, toxins, etc so more cancer, etc - but I guess if it comes down to it - survival of the fittest.

Anemone Pie said...

Oh, sure, many things - bad things - are man made. But transplants and such aren't going to make us more fit as a species. Just the opposite, in fact. To become more fit as a species we have to learn to adapt to all of this mess we've created naturally, develop natural immunities to it all, over time. Does that make sense?

Erin, it's *is a nice idea. Maybe not as helpful as my Body Farm idea but infinitely nicer for one's family. :-)

Margaret said...

Happy 4th of July pot heads!

Mulie - does your husband really believe in aliens? Has he ever been visited?

I believe in donation because once I'm gone I can't use my organs, eyes, skin anymore - if I can help someone else so be it. Most of us would not be alive today without the help of modern medicine - to me organ donation is just part of that. I don't believe in selling organs.

KaytieJ said...

AP - We've gone round and round on this for years. Good to know some things do not change :-D

With that said, the older I get the more pro I am at Organ Donation. Especially skin. I hope I live long enough to see lung implants become routine for cystic fibrosis. Growth or transplant of varying nerve cells for treating spinal chord injuries. Growth or transplant of cells to treat Parkinson's and various other nerve or muscle diseases such as ALS.

There are transplants I am not a proponent of, ie, on very premature infants, liver transplants for alcoholics or IV drug abusers, to name a few.

Happy Independence Day Everyone!
(and the joy of Freedom of Speech)

Anonymous said...

"Occasionally I run across something and realize I'm being hypocritical so I try to correct that but hey, I'm human. ;-) Anything else you'd like to ask me?"

No, no other questions. Thanks for answering.

Anemone Pie said...

I didn't think so, C. :-D

Kaytie, there's great comfort in our differences. It's good. :-) I am curious why you'd support transplants for some and not others, though. I've got to tell you it's a bit startling to see premature babies lumped together with UV drug users but I think I might understand. Is it about the viability of the organ in that particular life? The odds of it actually being useful long-term?

Anemone Pie said...

Hey, Margaret, you said you support organ donation but don't support selling organs. I think you mean like on some medical list or whatever (or maybe I'm wrong), but are you okay with doctors and hospitals making a profit on the actual procedures? Also, do you think a person shouldn't sell their own kidney, say, if they wanted to?

KaytieJ said...

AP - Not sure with all Organ Donar Teams - but the one here pays for all of the expense incurred by family and professionals in re: to the time of being declared a Donor through surgery and transport. Not sure about Transplant time.
The Donor Harvest Surgical Teams are the ones that harvest, not the hospital staff, and even though I may be doing the nursing care, I work in tandem with a Donor member that does the ordering. I am also friends with a man that has a plane and pilot's license that donates his time and expense when asked to pick up or transport an Organ.
My details in reimbursement may not be solid, but I think it does show they are not in this to make a huge profit. Would be interesting to find out, though.

KaytieJ said...

Yes, it does "look" startling lumping those groups together. As I said, very premature infants not all premature infants. And yes, it has to do with the viability.

Anemone Pie said...

Oh, I doubt a huge profit is made, either. I just feel funny about the fact that, in the end, profit is made by anyone or any business off donor parts, you know?

Hope everyone is having fun tonight!

Muliebrity said...

I understand what you are saying, AP. That train of thought is really a slippery slope. You can start thinking the same way about blood donation, vaccines, and translate it to just about any other medical procedure.

Jeanette said...

Hi all. I read some of this last night from my phone and couldn't wait to come in and rattle AP's cage. FTR, I'm being buried beside my mother and I already have a plot. And I am an organ donor and I agreed to donate my mother's organs as well. Sadly, they were all destroyed during her transport to the hospital and none were harvestable.

On with the cage rattling. Ohhhh APPPPPP.....

You said...
" I don't have issues with all medical intervention in the least - only that which alters the natural beginning or ending of life."

Wouldn't abortion alter the natural beginning of life?

Anemone Pie said...

Good morning, everyone! Hey, where has Shannon been, anyway?

Mulie, yep, it is a slippery sloe and there are things I find myself conflicted on. And Jeanette, abortion is one of those things. I used to be perfectly fine with the idea. Now? I waver as I've gotten older and thought more about it. I don't believe life begins until it's viable outside the womb, though, so basically it's the potential for life that makes me waver around some.

Anemone Pie said...

Also, Jeanette, I'm so sorry about your mom...that's so sad, for many reasons.

Jeanette said...

Well shucks AP, I didn't expect you to partially agree! LOL, I couldn't help myself, you know I love to debate with you.

Thank you for saying that, it was and is very sad. I have recently decided though that she is better off now. She had a handful of painful illnesses that made her life hell, and an abusive husband. I'll never think it was ok for her life to end the way it did, but now instead of her laying in pain and getting smacked around on over 600 miles away where I couldn't see her, she is right here in Ohio and I can visit her anytime I want, and so can my children. And she will never feel pain again.

I only brought up the organ donation because I didn't feel I should jump into the convo without voicing my preferences... and then wanted to respond to AP and let her know I'm mostly in a good place with it all now. Hope no one thinks I'm being a Debbie Downer.

Anemone Pie said...

Not at all, Jeanette. You're taking something very sad and terrible and trying to find the good in it...there's nothing "downer" about that at all! She is in a better place now, yes. Maybe not the place you'd have hoped for her, but better than what she had.

And next time, I'll try to argue. ;-)

Shannon said...

I am kind of around guys sorry.....Mikala has her surgery today and being the nervous cleaner that I am I have been terrorizing my house and everyone in it for days!!!!

We will be leaving the house in a little over an hour and OF COURSE starting tomorrow we are supposed to be pushing mid 90's if not 100....so when we get home we get to clean up the air conditioner unit and put it in her window since she will have to be in there with the door closed and everything.

And for some of the convo that has been happening....I am all for improving life but sometimes stuff is more about prolonging life. We will all die someday that is just how it is and when it is my time I want to go with grace not have someone do stuff to make it last longer.

Dont know if that makes sense or not.

Anemone Pie said...

Shannon, good luck to Mikala and I hope it all goes easily for you (and for you)! Let us know how she is when you can, please?

Anemone Pie said...

Dead, dead, dead around here.

What's everyone doing for dinner? Fried fish, hush puppies, biscuits and pea salad here. I was uninspired and just grabbed what I found in the freezer, which was fish, hush puppies, biscuits and peas, lol. I also found a forgotten stash of 7 or 8 bags of cranberries so I laid one out to thaw. Has anyone ever tried making a cobbler out of cranberries?

Muliebrity said...

I took Logan and Muliette blackberry picking today. So I baked PW's Blackberry Cobbler and have been researching jam recipes. Anyone got a good blackberry recipe?

Shannon said...

We just got home about an hour ago....she is doing pretty good and eating her first food of the day, jello :)

4 1/2 lbs of boob gone!!!! She is going to feel so much better once she is up and around.

Muliebrity said...

Did my last post not show up?

Shannon said...

Why the hell is blogger eating all my posts???!!!!

Mikala is home now and resting. She is doing pretty good and is now 4 1/2 lbs lighter then she was this morning. We got home about an hour ago and she is now comfy in her bed :)

We are having pot roast as I could start it this morning and have it ready to eat when we finally got home.

Deb said...

Good morning ladies, it's been a while, waaaay to long.

We have been busy working on our school's 4th of July parade float since we returned from vacation, so I have been veeery scarce, but I have tried to read along to see what's up.

We have a neighborhood pancake breakfast the morning of the parade, then complete the float, then parade, the after-party then fireworks.

I want a CLOSED casket, just awesome photos of me :). I want to be cremated. I want some of my ashes to be put into the sound where we vacation each year, then whoever can keep them or share them. I do *not want to be put in the ground!

I am an organ donor. I believe if I can improve someone's quality of life, that would be awesome.

Deb said...

Shannon - I hope Mikala is okay post-surgery - sending good thoughts her way!

Melissa said...

Morning all. We had connectivity issues over the weekend so I was MIA. I'm back now! It's been quiet around here lately. I hope everyone's okay and has just been really busy.

Melissa said...

I posted a comment earlier-what did Blogger do with it?

Muliebrity said...

I think blogger is being psycho, so I don't know if this post is going to show up or not.

Shannon, How is your daughter feeling? I hope the heat is not going to be too unpleasant there today.

Deb said...

Is blogger being a piss ant this morning? I just left a long comment, and it's gone!

Robin in Montana said...

Good morning!

Too late for last night's dinner (which was Chinese food that made me a sick mess) but tonight we're having Greek Chicken, Red Onion and Mint Kebabs with some couscous, cucumber/tomato/feta/red onion salad.

Mulie - I bought some really nice blackberries over the weekend and made a blackberry/rhubarb crisp that was really, really good.

KaytieJ said...

Shannon - Hope you and your daughter did well in the surgery and wishing you both the best in recovery!

Melissa said...

I've posted two comments and apparently Blogger ate them. Don't know why Mr. Blogger doesn't like me today.

Deb said...

Shannon - I'm so glad she is okay!

I'll post more when I know blogger is behaving.

Anemone Pie said...

Shannon, glad to hear the surgery went well. How is she this morning?

Hi, Deb! Long post or not, it's nice to see you. :-)

Shannon said...

Deb I will try this again....blogger is being a bitch this morning...It is making me very frustrated.

Mikala is doing quite well today makes her anxious mommy feel much better.

Anemone Pie said...

Hey, now mine is gone. Dammit.

Melissa said...

I've given up on blogger. I'm subscribing via email to see if that works.

Anemone Pie said...

Oh, *now they all show up!

Erin Lutz said...

Morning. Shannon- I am so glad she did okay. It will be such a good thing for her. How long is the recovery?

AP- let me know what you make with your cranberries. I love them.

Shannon said...

GRRRRRRR I hate blogger.

Is everyone else getting stupid error messages when they try to post?

I dont know if my last post is going to show up or not but in case it doesnt I will quickly recap:

She got her drains out this morning and is feeling pretty good considering. They look really good and she is pleased with the size so far.

It will take about 6 weeks to be completely healed but she should be much better in about 2-3 weeks.

and whenever blogger decides to behave I will put a new post up.

Deb said...

Oh, hey my long post finally showed up!

Deb said...

Good to see you too AP! We've been incredibly busy 'round these parts.

So much so, that Kathryn fell asleep on the sofa at 4:30 yesterday afternoon, I tried to wake her up at 5 for dinner. Instead, a three headed dragon woke up and bawled for 15 minutes, so Mark put her in her bed. I tried to wake her up 7:00, no avail, then finally got her on the potty at 7:30, fed her some leftovers. She stayed up until about 9:30 and slept all night. She was one tired kiddo!

So, if anyone cares, I put a new blog post up on the creation of our float.

Margaret said...

Hello biaches - checking in to see how Shannon's daughter is and to see if any strangers have been busting AP's chops :)

Deb - the float looks great!

Muliebrity said...

I think it's working now. Damn blogger!

Shannon said...

Hey Mulie....blogger is being a major booger today....I have heard from others that it is pretty much an all over kind of thing too.

I am hoping it stops because I want to get a new post before the dreaded 200th post but I dont want to lose a whole post either :)

Anemone Pie said...

Hey, I just saw Lindsay Lohan got 90 days in jail and 90 days in an in-house treatment facility once she's release. It's still not what a lot of people would have gotten for 2 DUIs and possession of cocaine, but at least it's something, for a change. We'll see how long they actually make her serve.

Did y'all hear about Mel Gibson's latest ugly-fest? And so I keep up some celebrities...so? :-D

Deb, I love the float! Poor baby, though, being so tired.

Shannon, glad Mikala is feeling okay and everything is looking good. I hope everything keeps going pretty easy for her!

Margaret, look at you just checking in for some drama and to see me being beat down. ;-) Have y'all seeing the goings on at MWOP, speaking of drama?

Anemone Pie said...

Oh, and Erin, I wound up just oooking them into a sauce. I did add some guava paste I found in the freezer and some lime peel, trying to make it more summery. It turned out pretty good.

Mulie, how's Muliette? How are you?

Miss Arse goes in tomorrow morning (at 7:30, ack!) for her first surgery. I should have her home by 2pm, but I'm not sure when I'll be online and I expect some issues since she tends to have trouble with any anesthetics at all. Think good thoughts, please? She won't die or anything, I don't mean that...just pray she's not all vomit-y. Thanks!

KaytieJ said...

Shannon - Mikala is doing so well post surgery it sounds like. Yay to drains out!

AP - Lots of good thoughts for Ms. Arse. I hope they prescribe some take home antinausea meds. And yuck to early morning procedures!

Anemone Pie said...

Thanks, Kaytie. I guess I'll go to Walmart since not much else is open at that ungodly hour. If it weren't so hot, I'd go sleep in the car. I guess I could come home, it's only 20 minutes away...I don't know.

Margaret said...

AP - I'll be thinking about you and Miss Arse. I know I don't need to defend you but I'm never on when the chop busting occurs - if I was I'd say - what the F.

mwop drama - 1) blogher lets her break the rules because she's a money maker 2) the not me monday was a plea to keep mwop opened wasn't it. JM is so awesome!

Anemone Pie said...

Well, thanks, Margaret. So far I have yet to see any real chop busting, though. I wish someone would try. I get bored. ;-)

Yep, she's not wanting MWOP closed...she gets too many hits from there, I suspect. Man, I bet she's a pip to live with these days, don't you?

Shannon said...

AP I will be thinking of Miss Arse tomorrow and you as well. Hopefully she will come out like my grandmother and not be mostly blind anymore.

Muliebrity said...

So is MWOP closing?

I keep hearing about what an asshat Mel Gibson is, bur I have yet to hear specifically why.

Muliette is doing very, very well! She is just darling and seems to be in a better mood this week. I have been working hard to maintain my supply. My hormones still feel pretty whacked out. Still kind of having my period, headaches, neck problems, and cramps from hell. Being a woman is so awesome.

I just finished the book "In Her Shoes." Anyone else read it? Has it been made into a movie?

Anemone Pie said...

"Hopefully she will come out like my grandmother and not be mostly blind anymore."

Oh, look at you, being a little ray of sunshine...lolol!

Mulie, newp, MWOP is staying up. I'm glad. I don't go often and can't stand some of the pettiness there, some of the nitpicking, but the info put forth is still good and, imo, deserved. I don't like liars and I don't like hypocrites; I always enjoy seeing both exposed.

I'm sorry you feel like crap but glad Muliette is having a happier week. :-) Don't know anything about your book, though, sorry.

Karen said...

Hello Daisys!! LONG time since I've been here - real life just keeps me hopping specially now that its summer time, but will try to hop in more frequently! As usual its after midnight and nobody probably awake - but I promise to try to come in during evening hours tomorrow and say hello!! Hope everyone is having a good summer so far! My kids and grands are keeping me hopping, and our apartment has a pool so the kids have been taking advantage of that and coming to swim, which turns into dinner and then playing outside after dinner - helps that we have a/c and the girls don't so they come to me for cooling relief!! I love it though!!

See you all tomorrow - promise!

Deb said...

AP - thinking of Miss Arse this morning...I hope the surgery is a success with minimal side effects from the anesthesia.

Went over to MWOP. Sounds like JM is *loving the drama brought on by MWOP to me, no?

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