Saturday, June 30, 2012

It's Sunday-ish...let's explore Deuteronomy 28.

It's disturbing, Deuteronomy 28 is...really, really disturbing.  It even wishes infidelity, cannibalism, STDs, fungus and hemorrhoids on you. Or if not you, then someone. I know a few people who ought to be pretty concerned over all this, though.  Here are some high (or low, I suppose) points worth sharing:

28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:

28:22 The LORD shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish.

28:27 The LORD will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the emerods, and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst not be healed.

28:28 The LORD shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart:

28:30 Thou shalt betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her: thou shalt build an house, and thou shalt not dwell therein: thou shalt plant a vineyard, and shalt not gather the grapes thereof.

28:35 The LORD shall smite thee in the knees, and in the legs, with a sore botch that cannot be healed, from the sole of thy foot unto the top of thy head.

28:53 And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the LORD thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee: 

28:55 So that he will not give to any of them of the flesh of his children whom he shall eat: because he hath nothing left him in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee in all thy gates.

28:57 And toward her young one that cometh out from between her feet, and toward her children which she shall bear: for she shall eat them for want of all things secretly in the siege and straitness, wherewith thine enemy shall distress thee in thy gates.

and then, just to add further insult to injury...

28:68 And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.


Yikes. And people wonder why there's so much violence in the world. Imagine, for a moment, that Deuteronomy 28 was a video game or something...


68 comments:

Anonymous said...

In regards to Snort, and really, I think this is the last time I'll post on it, because I'm not really interested in all of this MWOP drama anylonger...I know she brought it up on MWOP. I know she didn't tell all of the dirty details, but I just don't feel like she's obligated to. What would be the reason to demand full disclosure of all of her problems? Just because she posts on MWOP? I guess I don't get that. She doesn't have a blog where she goes around dissing other addicts, while secretly battling her own addiction, so I don't really see the hipocrasy. If none of us were allowed to have opinions on anyone else because of mistakes we've made in our lives, that would be utopia. I've made some mistakes, never anything illegal, or fraudulent, but mistakes still, and I may mention them from time to time, but I don't think I"m obligated to disclose every single detail of my life. For instance, I had an eating disorder in high school and I used to smoke. Does that mean I can never ever discuss things that bother me about a "celebrity" such as Mckmama? Should I tell everyone exactly what brand of cigarettes I smoked and how many per day? If I don't does that mean I'm lying?? Should I never ever comment that models are too thin because I used to strive for that?
I don't know if anyone sees my point, but what I'm saying is she discussed it first, BWOP didn't expose anything, and I thought BWOP was supposed to be about anti-bullying, not digging into people's personal lives and posting shit about them on the internet. Now, I'm not stupid, and obviously I know that BWOP isn't really an anti-bully blog, I'm just saying what goes on over there is over the top. In my opinion, it's worse than MWOP. And 10x worse than GOMI. If you have a blog, and you lie, cheat and steal and post it on the internet, people are going to discuss it.

Sorry for the wall of text. I feel like Kate.

Anonymous said...

That was me above....Julia

Lisa said...

Well, I didn't mind your wall of text at all, Julia. :-) You know, it's not that I don't see the points you're making...I do and don't exactly disagree with your overall points; I just don't necessarily agree with the fine points of them.

"I know she didn't tell all of the dirty details, but I just don't feel like she's obligated to. What would be the reason to demand full disclosure of all of her problems?"

For example, I agree...she isn't obligated to, and frankly, shouldn't have to if she doesn't want to. Being on the internet doesn't automatically relieve us of all rights to privacy. But, at the moment she chose to share that she a recovering addict and is also an active part of a blog whose sole goal is to expose someone some there feel may also have an addiction, I believe that opens her up to closer scrutiny. I do understand you don't agree, though. And, if during that further scrutiny, it comes to light that she stole her drugs instead of buying them on a street corner or via doctor-shopping, and she's part of a blog that tears JM down for stealing, it becomes, imo, quite hypocritical unless she's willing to include herself when she speaks of thievery, lying, etc. We can absolutely have low opinions of others who make the same mistakes we have, but we have to be pretty damn open about having the same low opinion of ourselves when passing that judgement, imo.

Using your own example, of course you can have an opinion about JM possibly having an eating disorder (or smoking...whatever), but I think that to do so, you should disclose that you, also, had/have one and explain how it helps you see that she does as well, or whatever the case may be, and how foolish it was of you to fall victim to advertising/peer pressure...again, whatever the case was. That's not being hypocritical. That's sharing a life experience with people, I think. Now, if you didn't share that about yourself, odds are strong no one would ever know and you could just point fingers to your heart's content without anyone putting the "hypocrite" label on you. You'd still be one, but only you would ever really know it. Am I making sense at all here?

As for BWOP, I agree. It's far worse, but just very, very passive-aggressive about it. At least MWOP and GOMI are in your face honest about what they're about. Whether one likes what they do or not, they have to be afforded a degree of respect for their honesty, at least.

And jeeeez...I give String some churchy stuff and she disappears. Figures. ;-)

Anonymous said...

OK, I'm a liar: I'm posting again: It seems the drama is she left out that she "diverted" the medication. I don't feel this is a groundbreaking discovery. How in the hell else would she be getting morphine and dilaudid??? Of course she was diverting it. When health care providers are addicts, this is how they get it. It's not anything dramatic.
Julia

Lisa said...

By diverted, you mean stealing...let's call it what it is. But I agree with you that the fact she was stealing it should have been assumed because, as you said, how else could she have gotten it? What did they think happened? I'm trying to figure out how in the hell she didn't go to jail over all this, though. She certainly should have since I'm seeing more than one felonious act she committed.

kate said...

"I feel like Kate."
Yeah, welcome! See, once you feel strongly about something words just keep coming.

Long story short: Everything Lisa said +:
"How in the hell else would she be getting morphine and dilaudid???"
How in the hell did she needed it in the first place?

The whole thing, hypocrisy & all, smacks of: I had my screw-up, now let me help you make yours worse. By pointing a finger at you, mock you, fuel the fire for others.

I keep saying this: You can't neglect the timeline here. Snort really hit the MWoP public eye by doing her 'Emulating a day in the life of JM' stunt.
Where she took laxatives, coffeine, etc. to point a fricking finger at how ridiculous JM's pill intake was/is.

So excuse me, but from a 'recovering' pill addict who expects all the sympathy and non-bashing that comes with 'coming clean' I expect fricking better. Like non-bashing others who're not (potentially) robbing cancer patients of their much needed relief.

Give me a break with that vile woman.

And her bankruptcy is much of the same. Just because you have admitted to be doing something you can't trash others who are doing the same. Why is this even a debate?

As to BWoP: Well, what did they do that was worse? Exposing Snort's theft record is worse than monitoring all databases for info on JM?

The tone over there is worse, that's all. But it's mostly MWoPs who finally can let go. As they did on GOMI when they had a JM topic.

kate said...

"how else could she have gotten it? "
There are plenty of pill poppers who're 'only' addicted to anti-depressants, anti-anxiety, etc. and go doctor shopping for their prescriptions. At least that's the worst I'd heard so far & what I'd assumed.

Especially as Snorts talks about how her life led her to be anxious and depressed and then ... wham!... so I started to abuse pain meds.

Some people out here are not drugged up to their eyeballs as a normal state of being, sorry. As terrifying as it is to say it like that in the first place. I hear 'abusing pain meds' I'm thinking extra strenght tylenol shugged with vodka or something.

StringOfRandomLetters said...

Oopsie daisies :-P I fell asleep on the church steps. Now no one got to see my Sunday get-up.
Wow, Deuteronomy is some heavy stuff. I don't wanta eat my childrens :-( Nope, I'm not even hungry.
As to MWOP, BWOP, et al, the whole tone over there is weird since the Snort fan club took over. Not blaming her, just saying it is a way diff crowd than it used to be.

Shannon said...

See this whole thing is just really irritating to me. I mean really exactly what is the point if Jenny from the block has to use food stamps? So what if Snort was an addict? So basically if you have ever had anything outside of the postcard perfect life you are never allowed to have a negative opinion of anyone or anything?

You know what the big difference is between most people and JM??? Most people actually admit and accept that their lives arent picture perfect. Most people dont sit there and try to make everything look peachy keen and perfect all the while things are in fact a shambles. It didnt take any real digging to find these things out either because the woman blogs, tweets, and FB's everything.

My life is far from perfect and people know my shit and hate to say it but I will continue to point out and talk about someone like JM whether others like it or no. And really when talking about hypocrisy what is the deal with a blog about anti bullies doing full of bullies? And no it isnt just MWOPers...that is just the easy excuse for the tone and behavior.

Lisa said...

There's String! My effort wasn't for naught. :-)

"How in the hell did she needed it in the first place?"

Probably the way most addictions start...self-medicating for an inability to cope with life. People can claim back pain or whatever else all they like, but back pain that serious would get you legitimate prescriptions, surgery, PT, and possibly even Worker's Comp or disability. payments. While I'm painfully aware (due to my ex-husband) that a perfectly legitimate health issue that requires painkillers can lead to an addiction, there's also, typically that inability to cope that causes the addiction to become ongoing and more severe, imo. Added to that, and granted, I'm only reading c&ps, I haven't heard her say she became addicted while receiving treatment for her back issues. What I read, I believe, is that she chose to self-medicate for "back pain" and stress. Now, why she chose to not tend to those issues appropriately to begin with is anyone's guess.

"And her bankruptcy is much of the same. Just because you have admitted to be doing something you can't trash others who are doing the same."

Well, you can but you have to include yourself.

Also, Kate, my immediate thought *was that she was stealing meds. Anytime I hear of a medical professional being addicted, that's always my first assumption.Now, anyone else? Not so much...I'd go with doctor hopping first but nope, I assumed theft first.

Lisa said...

Shannon, I disagree. I've done some stupid and shitty things in my life. We all know about my piss poor ability to pay my own bills on time and many know that I cheated on my husband shortly before I left him. Will I point fingers at people over doing the same? Sure. But I damn well make it clear that not managing to tend to one's own bills in a timely manner, especially when you have the money to do so, is just plainly stupid. It is utterly ridiculous and pathetic that I have such a bad time with it, although I *have gotten damn skippy better after the property tax debacle. Same with the affair. It is the single most ugly, underhanded, cowardly and trashy thing I have ever done in my entire life, bar none. I would undo it in a heartbeat, if I could. I'd not undo the person I was involved with, but the order in which I did it? In. A. Heartbeat. There is no excuse. It was just low and trashy of me, regardless of my reasons. So, will I point a finger at someone else and call them low and trashy? I may well, yes. Or I may not, depending upon their circumstances. But I damn well won't point a finger at them unless one is pointing squarely back at myself first.

kate said...

Yeah, and people who are judging JM and applauding Snort for having come clean have to also consider the many, many, many times that JM has said 'we lived beyond our means', 'we're flawed like onions', etc.

It just doesn't count for MWoP when JM does it. Only if Snort is (to some degree) open about it.

"Well, you can"
Sure, just like you can do about almost anything. Murder a person if you want, you sure can do that.

"Now, anyone else? Not so much"
I'm not sure I was aware of her profession when she first mentioned it. And I don't want to think about this any more.
Snort is disgusting.
And before Julia feels offended: Snort is disgusting because of how she conducts herself.

She saw fit to go after JM while hiding her own skeletons. And then when BWoP exposed her (yes, take me as an example of who doesn't thinks first of depriving the dying of their only relief, that was the exposing BWoP did) she turned really foul.

StringOfRandomLetters said...

Nope, not for naught. Not for naught, not for naught. Say that three times fast, then spin around in a circle.

Then please tell me, Lisa, that the Lego scene isn't some weird biblical depiction set for Deuteronomy :-O The horror. I think I'm shakin' in my Sunday clogs.

Shannon, this song is dedicated to you:
I think I love you ... uhhhh.... in a platonic, blog-commenty kind of way, of course ... and I don't know the rest of the words, but just realized it wasn't the Monkees, but was the Partridge Family. Both of which I am in the wrong age bracket for :-D
And I still agree with all the finger-pointy stuff Lisa is sayin'.

StringOfRandomLetters said...

(Psst...Lisa...I'm so sorry for your loss of your uncle.)

KaytieJ said...

My head is reeling with all the Smite, Shite, Smote, Shote...I feel a song coming on, String.

Think I need some good sleep. Woke up looking like that Deuterotomy Bloke up there...standing there all smug with a Mug O Mocha.

StringOfRandomLetters said...

Deuteronomy Duet :-D

Renae said...

"And really when talking about hypocrisy what is the deal with a blog about anti bullies doing full of bullies? And no it isnt just MWOPers...that is just the easy excuse for the tone and behavior."

From watching that train wreck while home sick for the past few days, my answer would be that no one over there believes they're being a bully. When confronted with it, out comes the handy "Mwop does it" excuse and it goes downhill from there. I don't see where the confusion is myself but hey, everyone's entitled to their opinion.

I'm in agreement with you Shannon. I don't give two shits who did what to who in their life. As someone over there tried to say, there could be worse people trashing Snort but since no one knows it, it's ok apparently. Snort and Jennyfoodstamps are victims of opportunity, not to mention their own big mouths.

Something else - don't you think Snort would take it back in a heartbeat too? Does she now have to start every sentence with "I used to be a nurse but then I fucked up my life by being a theif and an addict"? Not trying to argue, just curious how much you think she should tell people whenever she wants to talk shit about someone. I mean, I talk shit about people all the time and I don't tell my stories first. [shrug] Maybe I should?

Just my (prescribed) Lortab-addled 2 cents.

Lisa said...

"Sure, just like you can do about almost anything. Murder a person if you want, you sure can do that."

Of course, but doesn't this sort of contradict what you've been saying yourself re: Snort? Or have I misunderstood something here?

"And before Julia feels offended: Snort is disgusting because of how she conducts herself."

I will agree with this. I will never be disgusted by a human frailty such as addiction. There but for the grace of God go I, frankly. It is Snort's conduct in general that bothers me. It's her lack of remorse...her attitude that it's done, over, she paid the price and it should be a non-issue now unless she can use it to her advantage. At least that's the take I walk away with from it.

And while we're touching on the subject, maybe it's time to make a few things clear...medications are not infinite in the medical system. What is taken wrongly absolutely will deprive another person of the legitimate use of such. If nothing else, it's medications that could have been given freely to a patient who desperately needed it and was unable to afford it. So, did Snort cause suffering? There really can be no denying that.

"Nope, not for naught. Not for naught, not for naught. Say that three times fast, then spin around in a circle."

Please. I'm a lesbian. tongue-twisters and such come naturally to me. :-D

"Then please tell me, Lisa, that the Lego scene isn't some weird biblical depiction set for Deuteronomy :-O The horror. I think I'm shakin' in my Sunday clogs."

Actually, an image search on this very thing turned that picture up. I hope your clogs have stabilizers in 'em.

Lisa said...

"Something else - don't you think Snort would take it back in a heartbeat too?"

I hope she would take it back but frankly, I've seen no indication of that. What I see is a "I screwed up, it's in the past, whatthefuckever" attitude.

"Does she now have to start every sentence with "I used to be a nurse but then I fucked up my life by being a theif and an addict"? Not trying to argue, just curious how much you think she should tell people whenever she wants to talk shit about someone. I mean, I talk shit about people all the time and I don't tell my stories first. [shrug] Maybe I should?"

She could have kept that part of her life private. No one would have known. She chose not to do so, which is fine...but when you make that choice, you have to accept that there are some things we do in our lives that will, and should, follow us forever. Stealing pain medication from those who legitimately needed it is a huge one. In her place, I'd lay low as hell in the finger pointing, personally, but if I couldn't resist, I'd probably be pointing out what I did pretty often, with complete and sincere contrition, and offering it as an example of how I know firsthand what a dick JM is because I was one.

"Just my (prescribed) Lortab-addled 2 cents."

If Lortab addles you, perhaps you ought not take it. Just a passing thought...

I'm over and out for a day or so, y'all. (<- I'm Southern and say it in real life...the plural is "all y'all's", in case anyone wonders) I'm off for an adventure of sorts, or at least a night in a seedy hotel accompanied by some low-end sight-seeing. Wish me luck and don't bother behaving while I'm gone. ;-)

KaytieJ said...

A nurse that diverts pain medicine from patients, whether they are a hip replacement, pediatric cancer patient, elderly hostel patient, a 20 something quad...the list goes on and on and on..SHOULD be held more accountable and more in contempt. They have taken on the profession through education, state boards, certification, ongoing education, to take responsibility, care, and the safe guarding of their patients.

They are not teenagers or college kids taking a toot on the side and getting busted.

They are not jobless people.

They are people with a profession, a job, charged with duty to care for a patient or multiple patients. They made the choice and TOOK the opportunity to deprive those they were charged to care for, their medication(s).

I am all for redemption, compassion for those that have found themselves tied in the spiderwebs of addiction and are ACTIVELY working on turning their lives around. However, for doctors and nurses who have thieved and diverted medications, not so much.

IMO, they are right up there with pedophiles. Taking advantage for their own gains of those that are not in a circumstance to protect themselves.

Sooo..with all that said...I don't read MWOP or BLOP (checked it out once or thrice but was *whatever. Just putting in my Daisy 2 cents opinions.

Anonymous said...

ok, I work in the medical field. To get pain meds, especially in a hospital, you don't have to steal them from a patient in need. You just go to the med cabinet and get them. It's not like you have to wait for a patients scheduled morphine, and then inject it in yourself. It's readily available. Instead of fishing out 2 pills, you fish out 3...then you have yours. I think you are all taking this, "she's causing suffering by with holding pain meds" too far. Are any of you in medicine?
And for what it's worth, I've never done this, I'm not an addict, I don't take pain meds except for tylenol, but can tell you that you don't actually have to swipe it from a patient to get it, especially in the ER. You just have to have a code or key for the med cabinet or Pyxis.
Julia

Anonymous said...

And Katie, really? A nurse or doctor that's addicted to pain meds is no different than a pedophile? Come one. That's quite a stretch, and frankly, really offensive to those that have been sexually abused. I'm sure they'd trade a tab of morphine to have their innocence back.
Julia

Anonymous said...

And another thing while i'm on my rant

'They are not jobless people"

-Most addicts, especially those addicted to prescription narcotics aren't. That's a ridiculous statement. And if they were jobless, does that make them bad people and deserving of their addiction?

Julia

Renae said...

"I hope she would take it back but frankly, I've seen no indication of that. What I see is a "I screwed up, it's in the past, whatthefuckever" attitude."

You could very well be right about that. I'm not defending her or her actions, just wondering about people's thoughts on when redemption kicks in. Right now I think she's in defensive mode which would make her replies to people different. Again, not excusing her behavior. Just for me personally, I don't understand the need to tear her to pieces on BWoP. It smacks of hypocrisy to me. Same with Jftb. But that's just my opinion.

"She could have kept that part of her life private."

Agree up to the part about JM. Snort's situation is very different. I don't think she should have to disclose her drug addiction/thievery in order to criticize JM's non-payment of bills (or whatever they're criticizing today). I know Snort brought all this on herself with her own big mouth and I completely agree that she should have kept it private. That's why I said she's a victim of her own big mouth.

"If Lortab addles you, perhaps you ought not take it. Just a passing thought..."

I'm a light-weight. It all addles me but need it for the pain. And this is why I don't comment much. I always end up saying things I should have kept to myself.

StringOfRandomLetters said...

If you're hungry for a treat,
Want food that's fun to eat,
Then head to the golden arches
In your neighborhood,
McMama's golden arches,
McMama makes it so good.

Okay that came out of my retro brain, but I really wanted it to address the cannibalism aspect :-P

Lisa said...

Maybe it wouldn't be so dead around here if some slacker actually acted like a mod or something, huh? ;-)

"To get pain meds, especially in a hospital, you don't have to steal them from a patient in need. You just go to the med cabinet and get them."

And since there is not an infinite supply of those meds, it is, quite effectively, stealing them from patients. Just because you may not know the specific name of the specific patient who may have to do without doesn't negate that.
I don't have to be "in medicine" to figure that out.

"I'm sure they'd trade a tab of morphine to have their innocence back."

And I'm pretty damn sure a suffering, terminal patient, screaming in agony and begging to die, would trade their innocence for a(nother) dose of morphine. You think not? While maybe not politically correct, I think Kaytie's comparison was quite apt, actually.

Lisa said...

"You could very well be right about that. I'm not defending her or her actions, just wondering about people's thoughts on when redemption kicks in."

I could also be wrong...that happens a lot. ;-) As for redemption, I don't know. I suppose it depends upon the infraction, you know? But for something as serious as what Snort did, I'd have to see and hear a hell of a lot of contrition for a hell of a lot of years, but see evidence of good for people being done in order to try to balance the scale out, o to speak. But mostly, I don't think anyone is genuinely "redeemed" until they have a level of genuine, expressed regret and contrition to match the level of their poor actions.

"Right now I think she's in defensive mode which would make her replies to people different. Again, not excusing her behavior. Just for me personally, I don't understand the need to tear her to pieces on BWoP."

Well, to be fair, we've done some of that here, too. I don't think for the same reasons, though. On BWOP, they went after her primarily because she is an active member of MWOP and I think most here don't give a damn about that. Same with JennyFTB.


"Agree up to the part about JM. Snort's situation is very different. I don't think she should have to disclose her drug addiction/thievery in order to criticize JM's non-payment of bills (or whatever they're criticizing today)."

Well,nor do I, unless her losing her job for stealing drugs contributed to her bankruptcy and inability to pay her own bills. At that point, it's fair game, imo.

"I know Snort brought all this on herself with her own big mouth and I completely agree that she should have kept it private. That's why I said she's a victim of her own big mouth."

And for that, I feel just a little sorry for her. I honestly think she may have lost a lot of her identity when she lost her job and fell downward so hard and, like so many, she may be trying to find what she lacks on the internet. That feeling of being important to other adults who aren't related to her, of being something beyond a buttwiper and cook. She's got a sharp mind and wit, Snort does, and in her need to fulfill the attention she lacks now, opened her mouth one too many times.

Love,
Dr. Lisa


"I'm a light-weight. It all addles me but need it for the pain. And this is why I don't comment much. I always end up saying things I should have kept to myself."

Nah, I'm glad you didn't...it was a good read and food for thought, even if I don't entirely agree. Also, please accept my apology if what I said about not taking it came off as rude as hell. I meant it to be funny-ish and light but in re-reading it just now, can see how that might have sounded terribly obnoxious. I'm sorry, if so.

Lisa said...

String, by golden arches, you don't mean on her feet, do you?

Has anyone else ever wondered if Roobii (the person, not the dog) is actually Israel?

Anonymous said...

I have wondered if Roobii was Israel. She claims to not really know anything about him, then announces how he looks. Sometimes I think she could be JM's sister or MIL, someone who knows her well. And sometimes I wonder if she is JM herself, getting info out that people will find out soon, so she can control it.

Lisa said...

Anon, what struck me was that Roobbii excused herself from MWOP right around the time Israel moved close to JM. Right around the time he didn't have the roommate's computer to use anymore...although your idea of it being her MIL makes sense, too. If he's moved in with his mom, she might not want to risk him discovering what she's been doing. I love speculating. ;-)

StringOfRandomLetters said...

Golden five-finger-clad arches? Good one - I hadn't thought that far.
Roobbiiii as Isaiaiah? Huh, interesting thought too. I don't think so, but don't have a reason to justify that. It is interesting that leaving was announced. I don't understand why people do that.

Lisa said...

Happy Sunday y'all. :-)

String, I think there are two main reasons for people announcing they are leaving. 1) They really are leaving but care about, or at least respect, some people there and don't want to appear as if that didn't matter so they say a polite goodbye. A polite person with a long-term association with a place would probably say a nice goodbye before they really did leave. 2) They aren't *really leaving so much as just going to change their name and go incognito or else not post at all and just lurk. They don't want people to know either so they say goodbye in hopes that's seen as actual proof they are no longer there when, in fact, they really are. My money is on Roobii being part of #2.

Mama P, are you out there? How are you and the new girlie doing?

StringOfRandomLetters said...

Heh, guess I'm not polite, Lisa :-D
No, I see what you're saying and I'm sure people would have wondered about Roobii disappearing. And think you are likely correct on 2).

Do *you think Roobii could be Is? My hunch is no; her writing was readable.

Lisa said...

String, I just saw the link Roobii posted on MWOP and am now thinking that whoever she is, she *is a she, at least. Posting a link to harmless old family pictures from a soon-to-be-ex's side of the family just isn't typically a guy thing to do. But I'm pretty convinced she's family.

StringOfRandomLetters said...

That's kinda sad, Lisa.

Anonymous said...

Lisa:
I agree. She's definitely related to her. I would say a cousin or something?
Julia

Lisa said...

Julia, a cousin was my thought, as well. Another reason I think it's family is that if it were a friend, or even a friend of a friend, it would be easy enough to narrow it down and just steer clear. It's not so easy to steer clear when it's family. And yep, it *is sad, isn't it?

tumbleweedgirl said...

trying to understand all that's going on here:

lisa, i'm sorry for the loss in your family. how are things holding up?

as for narcotics, pain, and medical professionals? i think they should be held to higher standards. i have a little girl on hard narcotics to just live. someone steals them, she couldn't have them. it's already hard enough to get her meds filled outside of children's.

in between the 'we don't stock xyz narcotic' signs posted on pharmacies, to the looks i get when filling them... well.

there are 2 kinds of addiction. one is physical, the other psychological. the first may be necessary in certain situations, the second is treatable but will remain a risk factor for life.

and belated 'sunday hellos'. we almost went to church again. i swear, it's almost these days, but never really.

Anonymous said...

"Mama P, are you out there? How are you and the new girlie doing"

Yes :), sorta alive anyways. Life has been busy around these parts, my little sister got married at the end of June, the Husband was on vacation from the 24-10th so we did all kinds of fun family stuff. Went to Gatlinburg for Vacation too. But atlas, the fun can't last forever, I started back to school this week, and we're breaking back into a routine of things.

Little Miss is doing great, she's 2 months old now :), and completely different from the first 3! If I ever sit down long enough I'll upload some pictures to the blog.

and because I'm semi caught up here, I've always kinda though Roobii was family and her posting the link to the old photo's was even more proof to me that she is related. I think that is sad, I'm not sure why but I guess I think family shouldn't do things like that? Then again JM has done awful things as well, But it feels like Roobii crosses a line, like posting that link...

Lisa said...

Boy, this place is just deader'n Fred, isn't it? :-(

"lisa, i'm sorry for the loss in your family. how are things holding up?"

Thanks, Rhys...everyone is holding up well. Good has come out of this, as his passing served as the impetus for some of us cousins who drifted apart (nothing bad, just life pulled us in different directions) many years ago to reconnect and become very close again. His only daughter and I have become far more like siblings than cousins, just like we were 40 years ago. She's 7 years older than me and I was always her kid sister until she left home. Now, it's just an amazing relationship we're rebuilding again, as well as that with her brothers. I hate that it took him passing for so many of us to get back together again but I know how happy it makes him, seeing us all together once more. :-)

"i have a little girl on hard narcotics to just live. someone steals them, she couldn't have them. it's already hard enough to get her meds filled outside of children's."

And right here is the best example *ever of what people like Snort can affect. also, I hope you don't mind, but I'm going to put a link to Lia's CaringBridge site here again. I know y'all can use all the prayers and good wishes you can get right now. www.caringbridge.org/visit/lia
Because of my stupid and dubious past history with Chris and Elizabeth, I'll make it clear once more than Rhys and her family aren't looking for money...just prayers, good thoughts or whatever it is you do to ask your God for help.

Lisa said...

"But atlas, the fun can't last forever, I started back to school this week, and we're breaking back into a routine of things."

Holy heck, you *have been busy!

"Little Miss is doing great, she's 2 months old now :), and completely different from the first 3! If I ever sit down long enough I'll upload some pictures to the blog."

I wish you would. :-)

"I think that is sad, I'm not sure why but I guess I think family shouldn't do things like that? Then again JM has done awful things as well, But it feels like Roobii crosses a line, like posting that link..."

You know, I've been thinking some about that, too. I'm torn, truth be told. I want to think it's bad what Roobii did but I've got a couple of family members that, frankly, I'd screw with in a heartbeat, if I could. They are just *that obnoxious and condescending, that difficult, that I'd do what Roobii has done. So, who knows what her reasoning is, if she's family?

Kate, are you still here? Was wondering what you're thinking about the Zimmerman/Martin case these days.

Also, anyone have any thoughts on the whole Obama Care deal and/or what happened with the Supreme Court?

Lisa said...

*ponders closing this place up and turning it into a PORN site*

tumbleweedgirl said...

o lisa,

i'm here. i'm sorry. i don't have much time. otherwise i'd be *here*.

instead of doing all this other stuff.

thanks for caring about lia. she listens to the surf every night now, and tries to sing like a whale. thinking about finding straight whale songs for her without the musicky parts.

i don't think anyone holds against you the chris thingie.. and if they do, well, they must've never made a mistake.

it's late, i'm tired. i miss real life. maybe this is real life, if it is, someone ordered the wrong one. i was supposed to get the one with 2 strong healthy children.

shoot, a lot of people got the wrong reality. these children's hospitals shoudl not be necessary.

D Miller31108 said...

Checking in to say hello. Hope everyone is ok. TWG, sending you and your family hugs!

Lisa said...

Hi, D!! It's always good to see you in these parts.

Rhys, I wish you had the time to be here more, too, since it would mean so many good things allowed you to be. So, that being the case, I hope you can soon spend hours and hours here. :-)

I guess everyone's been keeping up with MWOP...damn, another house trashed, it sounds like. This time around, I really do find myself wondering if maybe she's actually, for real, snapped. I dunno, maybe I give JM too much credit, but I just find it hard to believe she was raised like that, to find living in those conditions acceptable, and it actually makes me more concerned than ever for her own safety and the safety of her kids. And I don't mean safety from bacteria, either. :-/

Lisa said...

Also, I'm not sure anyone ever checks our Kiva loans, but our loan to the group in Chile is almost paid back and will soon be ready to re-loan out! I'm a bit concerned about our loan to the Senegal group, though. That one might wind up as a loss, but I hope not. :-/

tumbleweedgirl said...

i no longer follow mwop at all. i just don't care enough, but what about the house?

is there a re-cap available for those of us who re time-challenged?

thanks for the good wishes, lisa. i want to be lazy too! or even just write seriously in a little room upstairs in the attic. or take wild bike rides with a boy-child, see meese and elks.

Lisa said...

Meese, heh. You fancy-pants, you. ;-)

As for a recap, basically there was supposed to be an open house at the house JM now lives in (it's on the market for sale and she rents it in the meantime) but when the realtor showed up for the open house, the place was in such poor condition the open house had to be cancelled. Apparently there were dirty diapers all over the floor, as well as dog "messes" and rotting food around. The realtor said something to the effect of it being the worst condition s/he's seen in a high end house. It appears, as a result, JM has been asked to vacate by her landlord, as the realtor said she would be leaving and she then confirmed she was moving in a blog post, stressing it's a good thing.

While I can be a little freakish about organizing, I don't consider myself to be a clean freak and this all just disgusted me. I mean, I'm relaxed enough that if I get up and see cat vomit or a stray dingleberry in the floor, I may wait until I've had coffee and pulled my groggy morning self together before I clean it up. If I had little kids, I'd not be so relaxed about that, but I don't and can be. I simply cannot *imagine having little kids in what was described on MWOP.

D Miller31108 said...

Lisa, I agree with you about cleaning up when there are small children around. Doing cat rescue, I sometimes have "accidents" to clean up and I do them right away. I couldn't imagine my son stepping in it. UGHHH! She's disgusting! Now on to EGG-GATE 2012!

tumbleweedgirl said...

ew. yuck. wow.

we are careful about certain things: cat puke, dirty diapers, sharps, and medical supplies.

there may sometimes be a box of 'clean' trash (no food) waiting to go to the dump, there may be puppy and kitty fluff, legos, and the like on the floor. but we're clean.

the bedding is changed more than daily right now. the counters are sanitized to heck. my floor is mopped 1x a day (linoleum), etc etc.

ew. that makes me sad.

zaya, sweetheart that he is, has sometimes tried to clean up a kitty puke while i'm sleeping. he's so proud.

lia, thinks wiping everything in sight is a good idea.

but i'm not a neat-freak. we play in the mud, we play with frogs.

tumbleweedgirl said...

i'm here, lia's sleeping. we've not slept a lot lately.

anyway, we're getting a cute litle house! it was a very very good price, is in a wetland area (from the desert), open skies, open yard, cherry trees, raspberries, pear tree, bedrooms on the first floor....

i cannot wait to move in. we will play in the sunshine a LOT.

*and* one of the outbuildings is appropriate for adaptation into a playhouse!!!

the end.

Lisa said...

Rhys, that's wonderful news on the house! How exciting and it sounds perfect for the kids and for mom and dad, too. :-) I'm envious of your fruit trees, though...very, very envious. Now, being all practical, is it going to be closer to get the hospital, as well? If so, it sounds pretty perfect.

See, what D and Rhys are describing is pretty normal stuff to me, too. I could have defended JM for maggots in the trash can in the garage...I have gotten them in my outside trash can on more than one occasion. It seems to happen when even a tiny hole is poked in a bag and the weather is very hot, so I guess the combination just attracts flies. Holes in trash bags happen and nature takes over. I didn't understand the judgement tossed out on that one, personally. It wasn't in her house, according to her. But to have young kids and have anything to do with bodily functions just laying around? Kills me. And after hearing about the rotting food around, I do wonder now where those maggots really were. :-/

D Miller31108 said...

She lives like a pig plain and simple... poor kiddos!

StringOfRandomLetters said...

You can sing in the sunshine,
You can laugh every daaaaayyy!
The house sounds wonderful, well, the yard does :-)
Lisa, I had the same thing with an aunt who was 15 years older than me, after my dad passed away. We had always gotten along but hadn't seen each other in 30 years. How did that happen?! We became such good friends for the past years, until she passed this year. I think of her all the time. I told her everything. We didn't agree on everything, but I can tell you this - between our differing political viewpoints, and with our caring about each other, we could fix the world's problems :-)) We had Iraq divided into segments, armies trained and territory handed over, within a year of the start of the war. We had balance and respect restored to the legislature. I'm tellin' ya :-)) It was a brave new world.

Lisa said...

String, I'm so sorry you've lost her...that sounds like a wonderful relationship. I love having friends and family like this, having the kind of respect you two did to have that kind of relationship. You must miss her terribly. And yay, you're back. ;-)

Oopsie Daisy said...

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Anonymous said...

Ok, I've spent most of yesterday evening and this morning reading Lia's caring bridge site. Just wanted to say...what a beautiful child. I hope she's doing well.

StringOfRandomLetters said...

Thank you, Lisa. Anyone who has a relationship with family or friends like this is lucky. So that's how I try to think of it. Same for when my dad passed. I had some darn good decades :-)

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