Instead of church, let's tie String up with her pantyhose and have a conversation about Evolution vs. Creationism, shall we? *eyebrow wiggle* Me? I believe in both.
Alternately, we can talk about anything y'all like. We aren't picky because God made us evolve into something reasonable like that. :-)
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Good Sunday morning, Daisy ladies! It's a beautiful day here in NC. I just finished up an extremely stressful and pressure filled work week and since I did a great job (sorry to brag a bit), I'm feeling pretty darn good. I like a challenge and last week I sure did get one!
Evolution vs creation? Hummm...guess I believe in both too. I do believe in God or a Higher Power or whatever you personally want to call "it." But I also believe that through the centuries, we (as a group of humans beings) do grow and change - sometimes even for the better. Not always for the better of course, but sometimes.
I got pretty caught up in the whole MWOP deal for awhile too but I never post over there. I do like to read when I get a chance. I continue to be astonished that one person can lie, cheat and steal and *apparently* feel little or no remorse about it. I dunno. I've known a very few people similar to JM and they scare the hell out of me. I'm a "people watcher" and like to figure out (as much as anyone can) what makes them behave the way they do. JM? No real clue but clearly something is very wrong with that woman.
Well, I need to jump in the shower and then finish up laundry and make a chicken pot pie. I made meatballs in sauce for subs yesterday and a huge, beautiful salad. I just hope the salad stays fresh for a few days. We'll hopefully be eating all of that for a few days since I don't cook during the week.
What's for Sunday dinner at your house?
OH! Not an afterthought - meant to write this first - it's so good to see Rhys here. I hope things are getting better, Rhys. I think about Lia and your family often. Please keep us posted on how she's doing.
Jae
Huh. I'm a conversation killer every time. :-)
Me too Jae :)
Of course I *am* tied up in pantyhose. Thanks, Lisa :-0
Actually I turned the pantyhose into a clothesline today. Felt like having some fresh-air smelling ... pantyhose.
You say you want some evolution,
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's revolution,
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about creationism
Don't you know that you can count my thumbs
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
Wow I'm real bad at this :-)
Have "we" been raptured? Well, except for me and String, I guess. I want to know how "they" got "in" and "we" didn't, String.
And I think you're great at writing song parodies, String. I'm not so good at it - although I do remember a poem I wrote once for my boss based on "The Raven." It was funny enough that he had it framed. Wish I'd kept a copy.
Did y'all see K's new haircut? I think he looks adorable. SO much better! And I say that as a mom who let her little boys have long hair when they wanted. But I do think he finally looks his age.
Time for me to go to work. String, if nobody else shows up, we'll just talk about them, okay?
Works for me, Jae :-))
Yes, perhaps they have been raptured. Hell. Oops. Literally.
I'm glad he got a haircut. I hope he wanted it done like that. I am not crazy about the length, but glad to see it out of his face. Can't quite imagine what happens when she doesn't fix it or runs out of product though. Part it down the middle and slick it down? :-))
Not trying to snark on the child, only the mom.
Oh, I wish you had your "The Raven" too -- did you do it work-related? I know "nevermore" is what I would like to say about work :-)
No rapture for me either...
I'll be my usual disagreeing self then and say I don't like K's haircut at all.
All kids are wonderful, etc., but the MckKids' faces all look better framed by as much hair as possible, IMO.
Cut their hair and all of a sudden they look like mini JM's.
I feel like I havent been still for a month LOL Been helping a family member since Saturday because she was rear ended again in less then a year.
I can promise you all that I have not been raptured...maybe more likely disintegrated ala war of the worlds LOL
We didnt just pop up one day as human beings. Creationism leaves out a lot of middle stuff. Sure evolution isnt perfect either but in order to believe in creation you have to accept that it is already incomplete and leaves things out....ya know like dinosaurs.
Shannon,
I'm sorry about your family member.
Hope they're not suffering too badly or have financial losses...
Don't care about the evolution discussion at all. All I know is that creationism can (in theory) explain everything by using the simple formular 'god's time un= world time' + limitation of bible writer's scientific & historical knowledge.
Kate it just sucks. She made a decision to make what she knew was going to be a long term investment when she bought her new car. We are all hoping that they total her car out. She has GAP insurance on it and in all reality right now her car is worth maybe 1/2 of what she paid for it.
She is going to be OK but she hasnt even fully recovered from the last time. Last time she was actually rear ended twice by two different drivers in the same accident. Here, hopefully this week, we are going to be able to get her into an attorney so that he/she can do all the work instead of her.
Gah, sorry about going missing! I...um...was evolving. Yeah, that's it. ;-) Alternately, I'll blame Jae, somwhow!
I thought K looked good with his haircut, although it did appear to be a rather poor cut. I've always thought he was the cutest of her kids, though, so what do I know? And no, Kate, some kids *are homely...I don't care if it's not the proper thing to say. Some are just ugly-looking. The good thing is, they often grow into nice-looking adults.
I need to go catch up from the last post, too.
Any news from Mama P?
"Some are just ugly-looking. The good thing is, they often grow into nice-looking adults. "
Yeah, not denying that. And some beautiful babies turn into homely teenagers too.
I guess I just hold children to a different standard. They're all minitature cuties to me until they grow into their features.
I always thought K was the cutest too, but now I think L is.
Mama P is drowning over here..
will *hopefully* come back later tonight and explain.
But if this is any indication.. yesterday I forgot to close the lid on the lizards cage, guess what we no longer have? Yep, no lizard, we cannot find him anywhere :(
"Evolution vs. Creationism"
I believe in both, I think we were all created by GOD, but have evolved over time. (maybe for the good, maybe for the bad).
"Some are just ugly-looking."
hehehe, I LOVE all my babies but not all of them have been cute babies. My 3 year old is as adorable as can be (to me anyways) right now, but as a baby he was not cute at all.
Who knew adding a new baby to the mix would completely throw me off my game :raising eyebrows: definitely not me! I keep trying to catch up but it never happens the way I want it to. I still haven't sent out the birth announcements.
Part of it is some ppd I think, somedays (like yesterday)I have to talk myself out of bed. It's not that I'm not doing anything but I just don't want to do it if that makes any sense. I'm hoping now that summer is here and school's out next week I can get us back onto a schedule for awhile.
I had a complication pop up from giving birth and had impromptu outpatient surgery on Wednesday, oh what fun that was not. incidentally, that's what caused me to leave the lizards cage open... We stopped by the house after my appointment and I was feeding him before we went to the inlaws for dinner. I left his cage open and he was gone!BUT we found him last night climbing up a dining room chair, Charlie is home and in his LOCKED cage.
oh yeah, and toss in there I've been coaching my sons tball team.
I need a vacation :)
Whoah. Just took at look at MWOP. Check out the new bankruptcy documents.
I would be scared shitless.
Julia
Heh. Heheheheee. Wow, huh?
MamaP, hope you're feeling better. It sounds like you have a *lot* a lot, a lot, on your plate.
Sometimes babies are so ugly, they're cute, don't you think? Like little troll babies :-))
So glad you found your (gulp) LIZARD!!
Julia, do you think she'll take off on an extended trip? Wouldn't that make for a good blog :-O
Tempi,
I'm so sorry to hear about your PPD & additional operation. I sincerely hope that you'll be better each day.
And just be glad that the lizard showed up alive and not in your underwear drawer ...
Thanks for the heads up Julia & String that there were interisting things happening.
I've had a look at the bankruptcy discharge denial and have to say, well done MWoPs. (Well, those 3-5 that actually did something anyway.)
And I'm annoyed at myself that I'm annoyed about the trustee getting the sale date of the travel trailer wrong in his official court documents.
"Sometimes babies are so ugly, they're cute, don't you think? Like little troll babies :-))"
Yeah, I think that's what I was trying to say!
I see a non-traditionally pretty kid and I think 'little rascal' rather than 'how will s/he ever get laid?'
Kate,
Last time around I was annoyed because they spelled her blog name as mcmama. It seemed like they knew what they meant, but it also seemed important to get right.
So who thinks she'll take off on a trip soon?
String,
That's even worse. A good lawyer probably could save her blog on techicalities like that...
(And I'm relieved I'm not the only one dismayed by such sloppiness.)
Extended trip? You mean with a tent and no forwarding address?
String:
It appears she is changing her domain pre-emptively. (sp??)
This woman will never stop. At this point, I'd be hiding in a corner rocking. She really is arrogant.
And on the baby topic: I'm sorry, but I don't think all babies are cute. In fact, my niece, whom I loved more than anything was really ugly at birth. It took your breath away. Even her mom noticed, and was all upset. She was really cute by about 4 mos, but man, she was a pumpkin headed red faced infant, and she wasn't pretty. Now, she's a beautiful 16 year old. Absolutely beautiful.
I guess maybe I'm just not one of those people who loves babies, and thinks they are all miraculous or whatever. I love my own baby, and thinks she's pretty darn cute.
Julia
MWOP got hacked...damn. Some hacker from Bangladesh got it and the music is good, lol, but this is bad. I have no clue if we can pick anything up by clicking there or not. Anyone?
So you are online & reading, just not contributing to your own blog anymore?
:: Hides hurt feelings ::
It's the reason I came back here, actually. I wanted to find out if my computer's hacked or the site.
Well, it couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of people.
Ya think the karma-usernames will be clever enough to change their moniker after that?
"I love my own baby, and thinks she's pretty darn cute. "
Anything else would be pretty sad, non?
Can't seem to find the right words on the baby-ugliness. I see nothing wrong in calling a spade a spade, if a kid looks unappealing then it just does.
I'm far from thinking of all kids as miraculous godsends too. (In fact, most other people's kids I don't care for.)
They're just in their own category for me. Just like I don't look at a kitten and think 'that's a hairy newborn' I don't search for pretty in kiddo faces. I'm more concerned about kids that have a distinct look of plain evil in their eyes at a very young age...
Mama P, I'm sorry you're so overwhelmed and PPD-y. You've got a lot on your plate, though, and coupled with surgery, it's understandable. I'm glad the lizard is found, too. :-)
I'm not much of a baby person either, I guess. I was an incredibly homely baby, bald and with an oddly shaped fivehead, to boot. I looked sort of like I had hydroencephalitis, actually. While I didn't grow into Miss America or anything, I grew into my head, grew some hair on it and turned out alright. I'm the reason I have hope for all the ugly babies of the world!
Also, I have a screen shot of the hacker page off MWOP if anyone needs it for anything.
Yow, that scared me at MWOP! I ran a full scan and didn't find anything bad on my computer. I hope it's okay.
I've seen homely babies grow into fine-looking people and adorable-looking babies grow into so-so to homely adults. And I've seen lots who look the same as babies/toddlers as they do as adults, which is amusing. I pretty much look the same as I did. It's awful :-)
Now seriously kate, you have seen evil in the eyes of young children?! Are you thinking they're a "bad seed" type of kid, or is there hope?
Oh yeah, I think she *could just take off and run from creditors. What do you think?
"kate, you have seen evil in the eyes of young children?! Are you thinking they're a "bad seed" type of kid, or is there hope?"
I have no clue, to be honest. But I'd like to know the answer to that.
They say socio-/psychopaths might be born this way, right? I'd like to hear from somebody who was in kindergarten with Dahmer; not only the 's/he was such a charmer in high school memories...
"I think she *could just take off and run from creditors. What do you think?"
No clue on this one either. I'd be like Julia. Curled up in fetal position in my (oops, somebody's) attic.
The woman makes me scratch my head. A lot.
I'm with Kate, Julia and anyone else about how this would have me curled up in a fetal position. I'd seriously be a freaking wreck over it, to the point of being unable to function and I'm not ashamed to admit I'd have long since called the trustee, apologized profusely, humbled my ass all the way down and done whatever else I could to make this better. I'd be terrified of jail. I won't repeat myself if I've already told this, but did I tell y'all about the woman who did federal time in prison for stealing postage (granted, it was a lot of postage), even though it was paid back in full before she ever went to trial? Yeah. In Jennifer's place, I'd be damn well terrified.
"I pretty much look the same as I did. It's awful :-)"
Somehow, String, I doubt this. :-) And I've run across a couple of kids, seriously like only 2, who did look different in their eyes. Unemotional, not soft, like kids do. One has been in a shitload of trouble with the law and one has been clean as can be, totally gung-ho military his entire life. No wife, no kids, no pets...he's pure soldier and a really good one. For whatever that's worth.
"So you are online & reading, just not contributing to your own blog anymore?"
Kate, who was this to? Me? String?
Sorry, Lisa,
That was for you.
While you're busy evolving you seem to never be on here anymore. And the minute India goes militia on MWoP ::poof:: you're there.
Did I put my foot in again?
Oh, and I totally agree with you, Lisa.
I'd have gone and fucking done something. Humbly.
You know, other than selling of what's 'not theirs to sell'.
I think the selling of the icehouse pisses me off the most. They have government issued mandatory classes, right? That people have to take before they qualify to file for bankruptcy. I'm assuming that 'nothing that's not listed as excempt is yours any longer' is part of the lecture somehow, right?
So, is it arrogance or stupidity that IM went right ahead and sold stuff he did not bother to list as excempt?
"That was for you."
You know, funny thing about that. Ever wabnt to do something really bad and then you get hung up on one stupid detail and can't get past it? Well, I was redoing my blog...I'm in a new season, lol...and started it months ago. I got hung up on, on all things, the stupid graphics for the title and it just brought me to a damn standstill. I should just g'head and do it but I've hit on that anal streak in myself and can't seem to do it until it's perfect (in my own head). Maybe you calling me out a little is a good thing.
"While you're busy evolving you seem to never be on here anymore. And the minute India goes militia on MWoP ::poof:: you're there."
I know, I suck. No, really, I do since you're right. Water issues have hit this house again and I've been dealing with those and then dealing with some personal stuff in my own head and the idea of having to sit and *think, of having real conversation, has seemed a little overwhelming. I've checked in on FB and MWOP and that's about it. I *am sorry.
"id I put my foot in again?"
Nah. It was good for me to read and I appreciate it. My ass needs called out sometimes. :-)
You make a good point about the icehouse and the only thing I can possibly say in his defense is that I think he's just stupid. I suspect someone wanted it, he needed the money and he never thought beyond those two things. Not that it's an excuse since you're right that he should have known.
Quiet down you all, I am trying to create some evolution here.
Can I watch?
*leers*
whee! i have no idea what's going on, but i wanted to say hi. we partied like silly-heads on the grass today, all four of us. it was almost like we were at home.
a nice person even took pictures of us.
lia's doing ok. thanks for all the good and kind thoughts.
mama p. i don't know you, but i'm super sorry about ppd. it's hard. ):
hi everyone else.
I am so glad that Lia is doing OK and that the four of you got the opportunity to have a blast in the grass and a kind stranger got some candid shots of you all.
I hope that there are a lot more of these days ahead for you all
Seconding Shannon on all that, Rhys!
Did everyone have a good holiday weekend?
Lisa, yes, watch at your own risk :-)
Tumbleweed, I'm glad your little darling is doing ok.
Hi all. And it was an ok weekend, though a bit sad. You know, passed vet relatives, and other passed relatives, and all that. Memories.
String, yes, in years past Memorial Day has always been sort of neutral for me but this time I've found myself thinking a lot of my dad and uncles...which leads to my grandparents and my mom's own age and it's all sad, but good, too. It's good to remember the past but to remember to live today, too.
And I'll watch. I've got a voyeuristic little streak. ;-)
Crap. Is there a camera on this thing? :-))
Yes, you described what I did this weekend. Add in some aunts, and wondering about some of my siblings and cousins. Some of us are getting to be that age. And have incurable stuff.
Okey Dokey, going to check on the camera thing ;-)
I don't know how old you are, String, but I'll be 50 this year and I figure I'm at the age it's *all incurable. It's just a matter of "how soon", now. I'm for hire, if anyone needs a party livened up.
i'm a generational military family, memorial day hasn't ever been about parties. it's been about telling stories of what they've all seen.
this weekend was good, amazingly good, and had more to do with lia and our family than service to the country. i know. it was selfish. we've had too many holidays and days of rememberance in the hospital lately.
but she's doing better. home is on the horizon, yet things are in the way that must be overcome.
-trying to think of things to say, but feeling tired. think i will just keep up by reading from here on out until we're home!
Rhys, it isn't selfish at all. Honoring and loving our families, especially in hard times, *is a tribute to those who have kept us safe to do so. :-)
Hi Rhys, so glad to see your name here and know that Lia is doing better. You, selfish? Oh girl, I think NOT. From what I know of you, you're the least selfish person I can think of. Hang in there with sweet Lia and I hope she's home soon.
Hey to Shannon and everybody else. Don't think I've "met" MamaP or Kate but "hey". MamaP, it sounds like you've got more than your share to deal with right now. Hope you start feeling better soon.
Kate, I agree with you and Lisa about being curled up the fetal position somewhere, unable to function at all if I were in Ms. McKinney's Vibrams. With the way she seems to lie about every.single.thing., she reminds me of my ex-husband.
It used to baffle me when he would automatically lie about the stupidest things. I couldn't understand it when I was younger and more innocent. I'd never known anyone like that. I can absolutely see him trying to pull off a bankruptcy fraud. Unlike JM though, he would be smarter about it. He ain't stupid, even if he likes people to think he is. Knowing him, he'd even get away with it.
He's definitely a pathological liar and possibly a sociopath. He feels no remorse or shame for anything he has done wrong - ever - in his life. I'm pretty sure in his own mind, he has never done anything wrong. These people seem to be missing some essential brain development or something. They are most certainly missing a conscience. Since my own conscience is somewhat overdeveloped, we ended up very incompatible.
Tomorrow it's back to 10 hour days at work for me. I'm just trying to hang on until retirement - or until I get laid off - whichever comes first. Talk at you Daisy ladies later!
I got to babysit a lot this weekend :) It has been a long time since I have had a little one and getting to play with a little 5 1/2 month old is just too dang fun....even when he goes from smiling to screaming in 2 seconds because suddenly he is tired :)
I dont have even 1/20th the debt that Ms. Sauls has and I am freaking out because I dont know what I am going to do at this point. Still looking for work so that I can start putting large chunks of money towards it. I honestly couldnt imagine snubbing my nose at what is MY responsibility and then to lie and hide things??!! OH HELL NO!!! I really do think that if Mr. Doeling has his way there will be recommendations for criminal charges because of the blatant lies and deception and I think JM should be worried.
So... did anyone see JM's message she left on MWOP? I didn't but read the comments after it. I'm curious how they found individuals names...
Well hell, she had something posted on fb and it just went poof. weird!
and Roobii from mwop deleted her account. All kinds of craziness going on tonight.
Hey, Shannon, are you the Shannon listed in the Gang of Baddies JM posted?
This is wild...better than TV tonight, lol! She's in deep, deep shit, though, posting those names like that. that, possibly, could have been one of her biggest idiotic moves to date. Wonder why Roobii did that, though?
"I'm pretty sure in his own mind, he has never done anything wrong. These people seem to be missing some essential brain development or something."
Yep, I agree. There's just something fundamental to being a decent human being that is lacking in some people. It's both sad and interesting.
I will say, the next while may be a very good time for Jennifer's friends and family to keep a close eye on her and maybe get the kids away for a bit. She's about to blow, I think, and it's going to be bad.
I am wondering if it is in fact me but I hate that the names are blocked out so I emailed Anja since I cant post there to ask.
She is losing her mind and honestly she is snapping as we speak. Honestly I dont think that a lawyer is going to give any credence to her ramblings because honestly commenting on what the court documents say is none of the things she is claiming. Even the trustee called her out for her lies so I give Jennifer McKinney a big fat PISH!!!
Hi everyone, just wanted to say hello...I agree, her family certainly needs to keep a close watch on her actions and the safety of the children...good grief!
Heya, D. :-)
So, I'm curious how that list of names came to be. How BMM came by7 them all, more accurately, since the general consensus is she gave them to JM. And I can immediately think of one other name collector who hates bullies and who would
"help"...
Hi Lisa :)
Are you able to post the screen shot of the posting that was deleted, I cannot find it..
I don't have it, D. If anyone does and wants to send it to me (anemonepie at yahoo), I will but will take last names out as they've done on MWOP.
Lisa if you get that list and my name is on it let me know LOL
I keep wondering if BMM is the other helpful one :)
Will do, Shannon...and D, it's all there on MWOP, minus the last names, if you want to go there to read it.
HAHAHAHA I am the Shannon K on the list :) Anja just got back to me and she got it from my like 3 posts on her FB.
ohhh Shannon you are a lucky chosen one LOL
Are you serious? She's monitoring who likes comments she finds offensive on JM's FB?
WOW, see let this be one reason I don't use my real identity for anything online! I will own what I say/like but there are so many crazies in this world. How much time has BMM invested into this mess? Seriously how do you gather all that information and still have a life? :creepy:
BMM has certainly invested more time in this then I have ever thought about investing.
I put up some pictures of the baby on my blog :) you know.. if anyone wants to see them :P
Oh my goodness she is so beautiful.
Such a tiny little bit in daddy's hands
Thank you Shannon :), I love the pictures of her and dad, I don't know why but it's so neat to watch him with our babies and see how much he loves them. The one with him nose to nose with her is my absolute favorite, I'm going to have a larger one printed to hang up in our house somewhere :)
It really is an awesome pic of the two of them. I did always find it so amazing how you can have this 'big tough guy' melt like butter with his babies.
mama P
i love the simplicity of the photos. they are super darling. she looks like such a sweetie. <3
the drama on mwop almost drew me back in, then i didn't get farther than the little thread about kids with apraxia and all that made me roll my eyes and leave. (:
if it's my problem that i sometimes struggle when someone else brags about their child, so be it. sometimes grief can hit you too hard. it's nothing about being a worse person, it just is. same as still being willing to cheer on that kid. it's ok.
anyway.
i'd be scared spitless if half of what i think is going on with her debts is true. owing? being denied bankruptcy? right?
yow.
hehe, Shannon that is one of the things that makes me fall in love all over again with my hubby. He's this big manly man, tough guy who seems like he could be a total a-hole but he really is butter to his kids. Works 10-12 hour days but still comes home to play with them, hold them, whatever. So neat. I didn't have a father figure growing up, and hubby's father never played with him, so it's neat for both of us! We love our babies xD
"i love the simplicity of the photos. they are super darling. she looks like such a sweetie. <3"
me too, I like simple, uncluttered (so to speak) photo's :) and thank you, I'm partial but I think she's a cutie.. most of the time lol
"i'd be scared spitless if half of what i think is going on with her debts is true. owing? being denied bankruptcy? right?"
True story, I'd be on my knees begging for forgivness.. of course I don't think I could ever do anything like she has done. I get panicky when we owe anyone money, and I'm only talking $50-100.. she owes a lot more than that! :(
that's probably where we are normal people. hating to owe, hating to need, wanting to be self sufficient. i mean, student loans make me nervous.
we have intentionally NOT accepted help from my parents right now. because it comes with strings, and because, well, *because*. i won't owe. we make do. and somehow it all works out as it should and i'm grateful.
(p.s. i am still in the hospital with lia. she's all snuggled into my side, snoozy and happy.)
My student loans are currently freaking me out big time but I am working with them because they arent just going to go away....and honestly I dont want them to just go away they are mine and it is my responsibility to pay them back.
Oh wow.
I got to be honest here: this is NOT the move I would've given up my fetal position for... WTF?!
And that list is ridiculous to boot. Shannon?! Again, WTF?!
That doesn't look like a BMM list. She seems to be actually more on top of things. Looks like a list JM started a year ago when she basically left the same message at MWoP. (Difference is: she had more of a case then, what with her house not actually being foreclosed. Then.) And yesterday she threw everybody else in who linked their blog. Hell, I could have come up with a better list.
Sorry, Shannon, but your name there makes me laugh. You linked to your blog last summer when you tore MWoP a new one for blowing up pics of a maybe pecker, right?
"we are normal people. hating to owe, hating to need, wanting to be self sufficient."
I have the same sickness.
"My student loans are currently freaking me out big time "
I can relate to that. But at the end of the day, student loans give you a greater return value for your debts. That's a whole different ballgame than blowing thousands a months on grocery and gas.
Jae,
'hey' right back.
I think I once worked with a person like you described. The no remorse, no embarrassment part is the scariest, IMO.
I must've gotten tired of his eyerolling about me uncovering his senseless lies long before he got tired of looking like a pathological liar for no good reason.
@ Mama P. & Rhys (though you don't know me), I'm always glad to see you comment. Makes me hope/believe that you had good days & all is well enough to engage in ridiculous gossip.
@ Lisa,
"My ass needs called out sometimes. :-)"
I didn't even mean to call you out like that. Sorry, sometimes I can be blunt to the extend of brutality. It's mostly that this place isn't really going when you're not contributing. And I really appreciate your take on things & look forward to your input.
Now excuse me, I got a huge pile of butter to avoid on my way out...
Before I forget:
"I'm curious how that list of names came to be. How BMM came by7 them all, more accurately, since the general consensus is she gave them to JM. And I can immediately think of one other name collector who hates bullies and who would
"help"..."
Please see my opinion above. You might be right as to the other person who helped, but she also was/is actually really good at it.
That list was woefully inadequate.
I have no doubt that there are 2 people contributing names to JM, but I wouldn't be shocked if JM in her infinite wisdom decided to only go with her own painstakingly researched data.
"Sorry, Shannon, but your name there makes me laugh. You linked to your blog last summer when you tore MWoP a new one for blowing up pics of a maybe pecker, right?"
Yes it was linked back when I did that. And that was in fact the last time I commented on MWOP. What is funny to me is that my FB account doesnt have my name as Shannon K***** my maiden name is also in there and the 'helper' is the only one out of JM, BMM, and the 'helper' who knows that I am remarried. I have not posted anywhere online to my knowledge using my actual last name (blogging sites) generally I am only shannon and if there is a name that is needed then it is just K for the last name.
Oh, Mama P, she's just adorable and it looks like she gets it from her mama. :-) Loved those pictures and your husband is so precious, holding her. Um, don't tell him I just called him precious, please?
"That doesn't look like a BMM list."
I still say I think Tina's hand was in that. Now, that's just my opinion based on past experiences, gut feelings and intense dislike of Shannon, but there it is and I'll stand by my suspicions. :-)
"I didn't even mean to call you out like that. Sorry, sometimes I can be blunt to the extend of brutality."
Kate, I wish you'd realize that this is one of the things I like best about you, so please don't apologize or feel bad. You were right...I *have had a tendency to sort of start things here and not follow up or finish them and I knew it. I needed to hear it from someone else, though...really. :-)
"It's mostly that this place isn't really going when you're not contributing. And I really appreciate your take on things & look forward to your input."
Thank you, that means a lot and it's very much appreciated.
Oh, jeeeez, I just checked in on Jenni for the first time today. She's still rampaging. I cannot *imagine her lawyer is on board with her having any further discussions about it at all, let alone threatening to name more names. I don't understand why, on MWOP, some think her attorney should not be contacted if your name was on roll call. If mine was on it, I'd have been calling his office first thing this morning, no question, demanding a formal, public retraction and apology. I see she didn't do as someone suggested last night and lay out, in detail, the lies and such with proof they are exactly that. In her place, I'd have been on page 17 of such a list, were it actually true that they were lies. Nah...she's just setting MWOP up to be the reason "she" has to shut her blog down or sell it or something. She's going to have to "protect" herself. Y'all watch.
She is absolutely looking for the fall guy in this. Her ass is screwed there is no way around that. If changing her blog addy is the biggest shake up from her downfall I will be shocked.
I am seriously considering sending her an email asking her to specifically lay out exactly what have I said or done that is a lie, defaming, impeding her ability to make a living, and so on and so forth. It wouldnt have been my first email to her.
She is so transparent.
Go for it, Shannon...you have every right to do so. If I were you, I'd make a demand for a public apology and retraction, as well.
Hi Jae :) and you were totally right we had a really good day yesterday, I had all four in bed and asleep by 930ish last night :)
"Oh, Mama P, she's just adorable and it looks like she gets it from her mama. :-) Loved those pictures and your husband is so precious, holding her. Um, don't tell him I just called him precious, please? "
Thank you :), and if I told him that he'd raise an eyebrow and probably so "okayyy" lol.
Kinda ot random,but did anyone hear about the guy who was killed after he ate another mans face off? First thing my husband and best friend both said was the Zombie Apocalypse is starting.. LOL
Yes that is so damn freaky!!!! I am banning bath salts from my house. I have some pretty weird males in this house and dont want to wake up to my face being eaten off.
May I point out that this is YET AGAIN happening in freaking Florida! Like I said, WTF stuff always seems to originate there...
@ Shannon,
If you do send that email, could you kindly keep it to a lenght that JM can actually dedicate her time to? And if at all possible, please try to not sound as if you still want to be besties after all.
:: Sarcastic eyeroll ::
@ Lisa,
Thank you.
"I still say I think Tina's hand was in that"
Oh, I'm not challenging that at all. But I still think that this part was assambled same time last year. All the great discoveries of spring 2011 are on there. And a few current blog owners.
LMAO Kate I dont know if I can write an email using three letter words or less with a maximum of five word sentences HAHAHAHA
shannon
bath salts is a new type of lsd, i don't think you have to worry about your bathtime relaxation!
writing her an email sounds hard and potentially not incriminating but more involved maybe than you'd want to be with her? i dunno. you seem good at limiting when you need to.
best of luck!
mama p, i love that your day was so good yesterday. (:
hi kate! and hi jae!
i'm enjoying the back n forth.
let's see: we're in our own room. lia's doing ok, a continuing puzzle. ok jm thing i hate: she acts like it's a neat thing, a noteworthy braggable thing to say 'they have never seen this' or 'the worst' etc etc.
it's NOT braggable, i'd like to have a kid who didn't present so 'interestingly' that she starts with fellows and ends with the chair coming down to see her. ya know?
her acting like it's all made up, this long out, that there are just people out to 'make up lies about her' is silly. at some point, facts are facts. and truth is truth.
i adore truth. it's unvarnished, it's indisputable.
"i adore truth. it's unvarnished, it's indisputable."
I totally agree. I would rather someone be honest even if I dont like it. I might get my panties in a bunch and get upset but at least I know where I stand ya know? I have people that I think I upset because I try to keep it true and honest in life and sometimes it is hurtful but dammit my brain is always in 20 different places at a time and I cant try to keep up on lies.
I did send her an email keeping it pretty simple with I want to see where I have done the things she has accused me with. The things that are not backed by her court documents or by her own words. I also want a public apology since I was publicly called out because I have done nothing that would be outside of the law.
I am glad you and Lia have a private room...even better would be back home so hopefully that go ahead comes soon.
shannon
yes. and your statements about truth are what i even told her team. 'it's not about what her dad and i *want*, it's about what's right for her.'
we don't care, have no pride when it comes to her care. we will do The Best we can forever, even changing providers, listening to all involved, and being careful. but it's about *her* and not about what we want.
hit me with the whole truth. i keep hoping the truth will be 'you nutcase, your kid is fine'. so far it has not been
if all goes well, saturday we go home! for hopefully a 4 whole weeks. (= (=
Yes it is soooo much better because you already have your feelings and suspicions and concerns and all of that about what may be.....fake sunshine and rainbows do not help you...they dont help Lia.
Like you I would love to get a update like that one.
4 weeks at the perfect time of the end of spring beginning of summer.....wonderful time to be outside and just enjoying.
hey, i don't need fake sunshine and rainbows, i have the real thing. it's just not ever going to be (as far as anyone can guess or tell us) 'hey we found a cure!'. it's more along the lines of 'we found a way you can hang onto her longer, and she can have a fun life'. that's good enough for me.
i can't wait to be outside. and at home playing with our Large Puppy. at least he's getting loved and trained by husband while we're gone. he's been accompanying him to work, learning how to be Helper Doggie.
deep dark confession:
1. i read some of the bankruptcy documents.
2. i understandeth not the final 2 links on the page.
the summons for adversary proceedings, and the insufficient funds thing.
Sometimes that is the best kind of news for sure.
I do believe that the insufficient funds documentation is saying that there isnt enough to liquidate.
The adversary proceedings is that they are being told to basically get their asses in there and explain themselves or a judgment will just be handed out that will go against them.
ohhhh upon further looking apparently the adversary proceedings is to collect property or to discover if property has been transfered in an attempt to hide it from the BK court so it is bigger than I thought.
It sounds like I missed some BK paperwork, based on what y'all just said. I best go read!
"i adore truth. it's unvarnished, it's indisputable."
Perfectly said. There's so much peace in it, even when it's not what you hoped to hear, isn't there? And also, you're right about the other, about being rare or "the worst"...being average and ordinary is a lovely thing in so many ways and I hope Lia becomes just another average, ordinary child very soon.
Y'all know, I've been saying if my name had been on that list, I'd contact her attorney and that Shannon should but I may need to revise that. Here's the thing - I trust Anja. I don't know her but I've seen how she works on MWOP and I trust her integrity and intelligence. She's saying not to do so and while she says it's simply so they don't get your info, I think that possibly, maybe, there could be more to it and she's not really at liberty to say. That's happened before, you know. So, I now think it would be best to err on the side of caution, Shannon, and go along with what Anja advises when it comes to contacting her attorney.
Oh I am certainly not thinking about contacting the attorney. It may be possible that I know someone who has some contacts with him. He is a good attorney but I am beginning to wonder if JM saw him on the news with a big win he had recently and is now throwing his name out there as a scare tactic.
Sadly, that wouldn't surprise me.
Well, it seems things have settled down some...maybe Jenni actually listened to some sound advice to shut the hell up. I saw Diane Shiffer (from Jenni's FB) posted on MWOP. She seems like *such a nice, level headed person, doesn't she? I sort of felt a little bad for her, as she seemed genuinely shocked at seeing the facts and having her "a-ha!" moment. I wonder if her other followers, once they see that Diane posted, and still so politely, will give the facts on MWOP more thought?
... and JM promptly deleted and banned her from FB. Way to prove their claim that you read their every word too.
Boy, I can't help but feel that JM is really profoundly stupid.
And, :: unpopular opinion altert :: she did not necessarily lie to the trustee as much as she really has no recollection of things that were 3 weeks ago anymore. Coupled with being the world's worst record keeper, budgeter and listener. (Listener as in: here's how you fill out forms and here's what you need to provide in order to prove your data.)
Seriously, the fact that she borrowed 10k from her dad, was unable to pay for health care anymore makes me believe that she honestly lost her finacial footing early last year.
No matter that she burnt through 150k regardless.
"I wonder if her other followers, once they see that Diane posted, and still so politely, will give the facts on MWOP more thought?'
Good question, Lisa.
But I would have expected a bigger migration around the time the bankrupcty transcripts went up in that case. Like Diane said, that is pretty damning evidence.
Probably most of JM's readers avoid MWoP (because it IS a very toxic place). And the ones that do lurk, well, if they're not swayed by the bankruptcy docus, one Diane might not make such a big difference.
Plus, they're used to people disappearing all the frickin time from FB.
"Boy, I can't help but feel that JM is really profoundly stupid."
Boy, oh boy, is that ever an understatement. Let's face it, she had a great gig until she got too big for her bitches. You know, I have a friend who wrote a book about a somewhat controversial topic (am going to try to retain her privacy here) and much to everyone's shock, especially hers, it took off. She meant it more as an outlet and a learning tool for friends and family, but it just filled a niche that I guess people were wanting that this time. She's been on some talk shows, gotten some fairly impressive-ish media coverage (*far more than Jenni), and yet they still live in the same very nice but average home, she and her husband both still work the same jobs, have the same friends who are so happy for the additional security this has given them, etc. For very special occasions, they occasionally treat themselves to something fancy like a limo and an expensive dinner out, but that's about it. Like Jenni, she fluked into something that snowballed in a big way but they have realized it was luck and timing and that it could all end at any time. As a result, they live much like it will. Had she and Israel done the same, they truly would have genuine lives that many people would envy...but, as you said, she was profoundly stupid. Or maybe just egotistical. Sometimes, the two appear to be very, very much alike, you know.
"And, :: unpopular opinion altert :: she did not necessarily lie to the trustee as much as she really has no recollection of things that were 3 weeks ago anymore."
Here's my problem with this...I suck with personal money things and we all know that. I make no excuses. I simply suck at it because I hate doing it and I can procrastinate the hell out of things I hate doing. It is a piss-poor personal trait of mine. That said, anyone with a normal IQ who keeps a blog and FB on which there are frequent mentions of things that can help you sort out your foolishness has a built-in informational system at their beckoning. On top of that, she can remember Paypal info well enough to use the account, get email alerts from said accounts and yet doesn't remember those accounts? Sorry, I can't buy that. I'll go along with you on the short term memory thing but to be unable to say, "Gah! When *did I start those photography classes? I know, I'll check my blog!" and then, if she can't recall how she got paid, isn't able to contact one of her customers, plead mommy-brain and ask if they can check to see how they paid her? Please. No. She's not stupid like *that.
"Coupled with being the world's worst record keeper, budgeter and listener. (Listener as in: here's how you fill out forms and here's what you need to provide in order to prove your data.)"
So, someone so incredibly inept that they cannot follow simple instructions on how to fill out a form, despite having graduated college, filled out mortgage papers, other loan documents, etc....you don't find that odd?
"Seriously, the fact that she borrowed 10k from her dad, was unable to pay for health care anymore makes me believe that she honestly lost her finacial footing early last year."
You're assuming she was unable to pay for health care. I'm assuming she chose not to, since someone else (the state) would. Or, alternately, she did what many people I know have sadly done and that's lower insurance on their list of priorities, below cell phones, cable, the bigger home, the newer cars, the eating out, the dance classes, the vacations...they pay for all that and then say they can't afford health insurance after their "necessities" are paid. I think she did the same.
Kudos to your friends! That's how it should be, IMO.
"I suck with personal money things and we all know that."
Yeah, but you're clearly the opposite of stupid. So a little procrastination will earn you a few late charges. My JM theory simply doesn't apply to you.
"Please. No. She's not stupid like *that."
"despite having graduated college, filled out mortgage papers, other loan documents, etc....you don't find that odd?"
First of all, I have seen some bumbling idiots graduate college, so that argument doesn't go very far with me.
But don't get me wrong, it's clear there were deliberate omissions, no question. Like the trailer, the rent on Becker while RVing, her domains, etc.
The paypal though - I actually believe her that she didn't consider it a bank accout.
"You're assuming she was unable to pay for health care"
I'm considering it, yes, in the context of your (excellent) argument that they 'had to' "lower insurance on their list of priorities,""I think she did the same."
And I agree with you.
The thing is: The started to have repo'd cars in early 2011, they took off on those desperate RV tours, etc. Unfortunately the BK paper's timeline cut off the period where they would have still paid for health care, but somehow I believe her bragging that they had awesome private coverage. Times seven, plus the 3.5k for the Becker home, that's a lot of overhead even before groceries and gas.
I see no good reason why her father should have given her 10k if she wasn't really hard up at this point. If he'd willy nilly threw money at his daughters, would the sister have to be at JM's mercy for a car? With 3 kids?
You mentioned mortgage paperwork, etc. The difference for me there is that mortgages & CFDs are far more standardized. She'll just have to make sure to do the opposite as on the BK paperwork: Overestimate their monthly income to look as good as possible.
Also, those type of paperworks are in the interest of both sides of the contracts.
Same principle with the IRS. They somehow got them to lower her payment rate to $100 per month.
C'mon, anybody with a little sense of finance would've understood that this isn't in your best interest as long as you still owe them a shitload. Still, it's a way more common procedure with people sitting on the receiving end who do nothing but tax you based on your declared income.
And that's where the stupidity comes into play for me: why not take advantage of the lawyer that you have paid for and go over everything with a fine toothed comb and make your bankruptcy as airtight as possible? Don't get a novice that you can bamboozle with vague calculations that you pulled out of your a$$, get a BK specialist and be as open as possible. Ask every question under the sun. (Including icehouses, paypal accounts and undocumented rent payments.)
The BK was in her interest yet she did everything to sabotage it. Missing records, giving the trustee an extra month to dig into her details, etc.
And then, when it is clear from the transcript that the trustee is not loving her much... she sits on her ass and does nothing until the hammer drops. Give me a different explaination than abysmal stupitidy and I'll be happy to think about it.
Oh Christ on a cracker. Now JM is doing a live chat. How much deeper of a hole is she going to dig herself????
Julia
Hearing Chinese voices might stop her...
This is quite telling, non?:
"But it [letter from MWoP] simply made him [trustee]look MUCH more deeply into ours than most. "
That wouldn't have mattered if there hadn't been anything to find, you stupid broad! Did you really not see that coming? And did you just admit that you were counting on trustees only giving a cursory glance at the paperwork?
Nothings makes my blood boil like proudly carried stupidity.
laid out like this, i'm dumbfounded. paperwork for government/legal stuff is important. you don't mess it up, you tie it up carefully with lots and lots of details - to the point someone will say 'gosh that's too much info, we're good!'
Hi, Julia. :-) I'm with Rhys. To me, it's better to overshare on things like that, if for no other reason than to prove you're being honest.
"This is quite telling, non?:
"But it [letter from MWoP] simply made him [trustee]look MUCH more deeply into ours than most."
Kate, this just made me ill. However, it also made me lean a bit more to your "stupid" theory, as opposed to my "underhanded" one. Stupid isn't really the word I want to use, htough, since stupid can't typically be helped. "Ignorance" is more accurate in my line of thinking now. I wonder if she's been so spoiled, so terribly petted to death and covered for her whole life that she really doesn't get it...really doesn't get that what she does isn't the norm for everyone. Then, I turn around and think that she has to see not everyone is this way. Of course, then I finish my spin and think that if she's so damn self-absorbed that she really doesn't give a shit about others, then no, she'd not realize everyone isn't like this. I know one thing...I've known quite a few people who filed for bankruptcy and I make no bones about how I feel about doing that, and some of them feel no shame or regret, but I will say that every damn last one I know has been upfront and not hidden things, or been so woefully unaware, take your pick. A trustee could have picked them apart and *maybe come up with a little item here or there they forgot about, but overall, by God, they've been honest about their stuff.
"Yeah, but you're clearly the opposite of stupid. So a little procrastination will earn you a few late charges. My JM theory simply doesn't apply to you."
Well, I appreciate that. No, I don't cost anyone money but myself with this bad habit but I'll still call it what it is...a poor personality trait.
"First of all, I have seen some bumbling idiots graduate college, so that argument doesn't go very far with me."
Point taken, since I have, as well. You're right.
"The paypal though - I actually believe her that she didn't consider it a bank accout."
I will agree you're right about that. She may not have. I've never thought about my Paypal account as a bank account, but then again, I've never used mine as anything but a safe-ish gateway to my bank account for internet shopping.
"You're assuming she was unable to pay for health care"
"The thing is: The started to have repo'd cars in early 2011, they took off on those desperate RV tours, etc."
I thought the Escalade was repoed in '09. Am I wrong there? If I am, then I agree, you may have a point in this.So,basically around the time Stellan was magically healed, blog income dropped, you think?
"I see no good reason why her father should have given her 10k if she wasn't really hard up at this point. If he'd willy nilly threw money at his daughters, would the sister have to be at JM's mercy for a car? With 3 kids?"
Again, good points. Hmmm. Didn't she say her sister paid $10K for that Hyundai? was that around the time her dad gave her that check? I'm wondering if Dad paid the $10K on the Hyundai for Hillary and that check wasn't just a big gift for Jenni after all.
"Same principle with the IRS. They somehow got them to lower her payment rate to $100 per month."
She says. We don't know this for a fact. Of course, they could have blatantly lied and gotten that accomplished, I suppose.
"And that's where the stupidity comes into play for me: why not take advantage of the lawyer that you have paid for and go over everything with a fine toothed comb and make your bankruptcy as airtight as possible?"
Because she/they believed that if her true income was shown, the bankruptcy would be denied. She believed they needed to look as piss-poor as possible to get it approved.
"I thought the Escalade was repoed in '09. Am I wrong there?"
No, you're absolutely right, it was.
I worded that badly. The first repo was in 02/09, but she got slapped with the lawsuit for it in 12/10. Then IM's repo happened in 02/11.
"So,basically around the time Stellan was magically healed, blog income dropped, you think? "
No, my mistake, I didn't make myself very clear.
Her blog income clearly picked up around that time. But it was by clicks & perks first, the income via ad negotiations followed then. But meanwhile IM's income was dwindling.
My theory is this:
I believe her that she thinks she lived beyond their means before Stellan. (The Escalade being one example, Becker home another.)
And that she lives within her means since 2010 or so. It's just that within her means for her doesn't factor in taxes or other debts. I'd bet she zero balances each month or quater and considers that to live within her means.
You know, because she didn't open another credit card with further debts.
"I'm wondering if Dad paid the $10K on the Hyundai for Hillary and that check wasn't just a big gift for Jenni after all."
2 Reasons why I don't think so. IM said in the transcript they received the money from Hilary 5 years ago. And, all stupidity aside, why would they admit to pocketing 10k twice if the father's 10k were the same as the payment from her sister?
"Of course, they could have blatantly lied and gotten that accomplished, I suppose."
I'm totally counting on that. And that's where I really scratch my head: So far all tax liens against them were still for HIS income. I'm afraid that her blogging gold isn't even on the IRS radar yet. They got their payments decreased due to his faltering business. Seriously, do you see another explanation?
"Because she/they believed that if her true income was shown, the bankruptcy would be denied. She believed they needed to look as piss-poor as possible to get it approved."
I get that. But that's my point: they needed to look as piss-poor as possible on paper for the bankruptcy court. And they were paying their lawyer to help them with that.
Common sense would tell you to make the best possible use of that lawyer. What's the win in pulling one over the lawyer? S/he doesn't care. S/he is paid to work with what you got and to make the BK happen based on that. Ultimately you want to make the trustee/BK court believe you. So get your lawyer to look closely at everything and then work towards being piss-poor from there.
"Then, I turn around and think that she has to see not everyone is this way. Of course, then I finish my spin and think that if she's so damn self-absorbed that she really doesn't give a shit about others, then no, she'd not realize everyone isn't like this."
Great points.
I hadn't even thought about how she may take a look around. But yeah, why doesn't she?
I think you're right. After years of routinely deleting everything/-one from her life that's not fawning over her, how would she know how Avarage Joe handles his affairs?
She only heard that trustee meetings are a way to rubber stamp your paperwork and then it's off to mandatory waiting period of 3 month and voila! fresh start here we come!
"i'm dumbfounded"
Yeah, that sums it up nicely.
Me too. And it has reached a point where my mind can't come up with explanations for her doings anymore. Even my vast TV watching/book reading experience, let alone normal human behavior, gives me a clue as to what is going on in her head to just not put aside that shovel and stop digging.
"My theory is this:
I believe her that she thinks she lived beyond their means before Stellan. (The Escalade being one example, Becker home another.)
And that she lives within her means since 2010 or so. It's just that within her means for her doesn't factor in taxes or other debts. I'd bet she zero balances each month or quater and considers that to live within her means.
You know, because she didn't open another credit card with further debts."
I think either I am not capable of comprehending yet...only had about 3 sips of coffee, or maybe the wording is wonky for me. So I'm just gonna see if I can figure it out more :)
How would you say that she was living beyond her means before Stellan? I ask because it was after Stellan that she lost another vehicle and 3 houses.
Personally I dont think she has ever lived outside of their means I just dont think that she/they feels that she owns things as soon as she has them. And if they come to take it away well she said it herself perfectly in the BK transcripts when talking about her blog "Okay. No, I would figure something out. I mean, I would be able to survive without it." Take my car, I can get another one. Take my house, I can get another one.
I dont personally like stupid or ignorant as definers for her. I dont know what would be the best word but both of those kind of make it sound like she cant help it....she can help it. Stupid refers to lack of ability while ignorant refers to lack of knowledge. She likes to tout the bible and such and I was told many years ago that it is quite the insult biblically to be called Foolish....but I think that word may very well fit her better. She knows better but she does it anyway. She is smart enough to know how to fix it but doesnt care.
"maybe the wording is wonky for me."
Nah, the wording is wonky from me.
Sorry about that.
Before Stellan = before his health was such a big draw, IMO. That would be mostly the year 2009.
And they moved to Becker in mid-2009.
"I ask because it was after Stellan that she lost another vehicle and 3 houses."
The houses were 'lost' by that account 'before Stellan'. And IM's lost vehicle was, like you said> "I mean, I would be able to survive without it.".
My theory was that they lived within their means in 2010/2011, but lost ground. Thus the repo of IM's car (which was not such a luxury item as her Esplanade) and the loan from her father.
"Foolish....but I think that word may very well fit her better."
Oh, yes, good one.
I just don't think that she knows better, sorry. Or, let's say my mind can't accept that she knows better and goes and shoots herself in the foot anyway.
Why do everything possible to sabotage your own bankruptcy? I can't believe she knew better and did it anyway.
My current theory is that she's a dangerous combination of
- ignorance
- stupidity
- arrogance
Too ignorant to understand the full scope of what's required. Too arrogant to listen to those you might tell her better and too stupid to do anything about either problem.
Could someone untie String already?
Different question that I'd like to hear your opinions about:
Am I the only one who isn't at all impressed by the trustee?
MWoP & fraudfiles are celebrating him as America's latest hero, but I don't think he did a very good job.
Yes, he asked for rejection of discharge and yes, he found the correct paragraph to allow possible charges and disallow re-filing, but his reasoning is as unimpressive as JM's list of culprits, IMO.
That's his fricking job, to find possible BK scammers and act accordingly.
But even on a quick read I find that
- he got a lot of details wrong
- he concentrates on small change when there are much bigger issues to zero in on
- he didn't even use the 341 (?) meeting to ask them about everything that MWoP pointed out in their letters
Beside the fact that it's his job to prevent fraudulent bankruptcies, he's got the additional incentive of receiving a percentage of what he recovers. Yet his big findings are the stupid icehouse and appr. 3.5K outstanding receivables?
Where do I apply for the job of trustee?
Anyway, Shannon, did you receive a reply from JM yet? Or has her lawyer sent the sheriffs over already?
I'm sooo counting on both.
Kate I think those three things as descriptors is very accurate.
I think with the trustee a big part too is that she was only claiming 50K for her income when it was more then three times that and the 3.5K was money she received immediately before and immediately after her filing.
I think with the MWOP and BMM letters it just pointed him to look more into the actual blog of JM and probably after the 341 meeting he found more which is what is included in the "multiple" deception, transfer, destruction stuff. IDK we shall see when more things come to light I guess.
Havent heard a word from her or her "lawyer" I really have no faith that I will either.
"I think with the trustee a big part too is that she was only claiming 50K for her income when it was more then three times that and the 3.5K was money she received immediately before and immediately after her filing."
But that's exactly where I have my problems with his findings.
JM stated as gross receipt income 5k per month, projected to decrease to 1.5k per month.
He's using the periods 11/2011 and 12/2011 to claim she was wrong because she deposited 10k. Well, 2 month per 5k kinda is 10k, non?
And he can't hold the full year gross against her when she hasn't provided an income statement for the full year. He's only doing that to underline his claim that she fraudulently omitted income.
His problem here is that she is on record as not having filed her tax year 2011 to that date.
Hate to say it, but a decent accountant can reduce the gross income of 148k down to a net income of 55k.
That's why he only lists those measly 3.5k outstanding receivables. They were undisclosed and are thus his.
Same goes for the icehouse and whatever was on the paypal on 12/13/2011.
What if there wasn't any balance on the paypal?
"Havent heard a word from her or her "lawyer" I really have no faith that I will either."
I'm with you on this.
BTW: I really appreciate your input / thoughts on my crusade against the incompetent trustee. Thank you for taking the time and taking even more time to read my epic excursions!
Don't mean to shoot everything down that is said... I guess right now I'm hoping for someone to prove me wrong that the trustee did a piss-poor job.
Because wouldn't it be ironic if JM financially screwed everybody along the way but her downfall would be a trustee who's equally sloppy and negligent? Only her ignorance/stupidity/arrogence prevented her from doing anything about it?
:) I actually enjoy debates/discussions like this because I feel like we are on even ground and all. You on one side, me on the other. I like bouncing around two sides of a topic because hell who knows maybe we will both see different things we didnt see before ya know?
I wish GOMI wasn't being overtaken by MWOPers. Although I love me some Mck snark, I like to browse GOMI for other reasons.
Just my opinion...
Julia
@ Shannon,
I'm glad (& relieved) you see it that way! I enjoy this too. Way too much...
@ Julia,
I'm not familiar with GOMI at all. Are the Mck topics overtaking the place or are the MWoPs all over everything there now?
Kate, in the end, I've decided I just can't settle on if she's stupid, ignorant, scammy, trashy, spoiled, mean, arrogant or a mix of them all. I don't know that I'm *ever going to know, actually. I see so much of them all in her. :-/
As for the Trustee, I'm all GO, TRUSTEE! in that he's actually done something about her/them. That, in and of itself, is a relief and I've got some cheer for him because of how he is wording things, knowing full well how public they'll be. I also believe he'll get the IRS involved. That said, I'm not overly impressed with what he's actually come up with, no...I'm with you on that and really, it is his job. I get the concept we ought not cheer someone for simply doing what they get paid to do, so yes, there's some conflict on that. But, it's not over yet and I'm going to withhold any final judgement on him and what he accomplishes (or doesn't) until it *is over, as he may have some tricks up his sleeve we've not seen yet. I certainly hope so.
GOMI will move on from Jenni soon enough...that place covers it all and I don't think their regulars would tolerate it becomig a MWOP2, you know? There are a lot of MWOPers over there, though, it seems, at least on this topic. I agree with Julia, though, that I hope they move on soon.
And count me in on enjoying these discussions. :-) Which somehow reminds me, Kate, did I ever tell about the chicken theft/peeping Tom thing? I can't recall.
Mmmmrrrphhhrrrrggghhragggglllmmmmmphhhhh.
(all tied up plus duct tape over mouth)
:: Frees String ::
I was getting worried that JM's squadron of top notch lawyers may have gotten you.
"Kate, did I ever tell about the chicken theft/peeping Tom thing? I can't recall."
No, you didn't. ::Sobs::
You had me seriously worried that I have overstepped some boundaries there.
But it reminds me that in return I owe you the link to my claim 'we know that Zimmerman lied to the police'.
Well, I had another look if I could find a direct quote, because googling Zimmerman has turned into a smorgasboard of references.
Here's the best I can come up with:
cfnews13.
Namely the statements:
'“Mr. Zimmerman had portrayed himself to have a squeaky clean record,” said Chief Lee.'
"Officers said they also didn't have information on Zimmerman's violent criminal record until this investigation began."
I seem to remember a more damaging quote, such as 'Zimmerman misled police in regards to his criminal records' and that some official (Lee, police spokesman or city manager, etc.) had stated it. But I can't find it now.
However, if it was only one source anyway that may not have been very credible and I exaggerated that into 'we know' & 'he lied'.
Sorry about that. Normally I don't remember stuff so strongly worded when I haven't seen it exactly so strongly worded. But it looks as if I did here.
"I'm all GO, TRUSTEE! in that he's actually done something about her/them."
Yeah, I felt the same.
"I also believe he'll get the IRS involved."
Let's hope so. Though I'm not sure if it'll be necessary. Maybe one or more MWoP has done so by now.
"I'm not overly impressed with what he's actually come up with, no..."
Thank you.
"I get the concept we ought not cheer someone for simply doing what they get paid to do, so yes, there's some conflict on that."
Exactly.
"he may have some tricks up his sleeve we've not seen yet."
Yeah. Or she does.
At first I was like Roobii, Anja et al in thinking 'what the frick is JM counterfiling for?'.
But your question regarding the sister's car made me pull up those documents again and I had a more thorough read. And now I'm almost surprised that JM said in her chat 'yeah, it's all over, no discharge, all's good.'.
Like the bedbug lawsuit, I'm actually thinking she may have a case and then she drops it.
So I'm coming back to: this woman is the biggest head-scratcher I've seen. Hands down. I have better insight into the motives of the night stalker than this trick.
Ok, here's my list of grief with the trustee filings:
4. "Between 11/22/11-12/27/11, the debtor deposited over $10,000 into Well Fargo Account no. 9246. Those deposits occurred as follows; 11/22 of $1,140; 11/25 $1,105; 12/6 $6,087 and a 12/27 deposit of $2,060. The codebtor disclosed her self employment income on Schedule I as $1,500 per month."
Uh, no, she didn't. She disclosed her gross receipt income as 5k per month, projected to decrease to 1.5k.
5. "The co-debtor had a Google AdSense account which reflected a balance owing her as of Case 12-06024 Doc 1 Filed 05/24/12 Entered 05/24/12 15:54:00 Desc Main Document Page 1 of 4
November 30, 2011 of $2,060.16. The co-debtor withdrew these funds from her Google account on December 23, 2011, ten days after she filed bankruptcy."
That's the same 2,060 listed as deposited under point 4, right?
"The Google account was not disclosed on the debtors’ bankruptcy schedules."
No, a) there's no such thing as a google account. It's an 'account' with google adsense. I hate inaccuracies like that. From a lawyer! b)She did disclose outstanding receivables 1.5k. Sloppy? Yes. Criminally fraudulent? I don't see it. He can seize the surplus of 660, but the full amount?
5. "The trustee, on information and belief alleges that the co-debtor had one or more PayPal accounts which had cash in them on the date she filed bankruptcy, which were not disclosed."
Uh-huh. He had since March to look into this, right? Information and belief? Is he talking about MWoP's letters? They don't know if there was any balance on the paypal either. JM said under oath it goes directly into her bank account. Before he uses this as an example to accuse her of fraud, why not stick to what he does know: she has an account and she didn't disclose it.
7. & 8. More undisclosed receivables, total of $900. As she disclosed monthly income of 5k, which already covers the Adsense 2,060, she could claim this $900 as part of the disclosed 1.5k receivables.
10. "The debtors purchased a 34 foot Jayco Jayflight camper in early 2011 for $12,000. They
sold this camper in May 2011 and received $9,000 from the sale."
Here he should have sunk his teeth into ... but didn't.
a) They sold it not in May (outside the 6 months period), but on 09/22. That came out in the 341 meeting and should be part of his records! Did he create his filing from memory?!
b) The Mcks only admitted to a sale worth 8.5k. Can he arbitrarily add $500?
c) As he missed the time period that would have made this an undisclosed transfer of asset... what's his point here anyway? To tell the court that they're in the habit of holding open titles? How does that relate to a bankruptcy case?
13."In the statement of financial affairs the co-debtor disclosed her 2011 self-employment
income as $55,000, when she knew at the time she filed her bankruptcy that her gross income
from self-employment was approximately $148,000."
Here's the problem: Her gross income as self-employed business owner is not the same as gross receipt income per her accounts. Like I said earlier, here her gross income would be based on an income statement, not simply funds she received. So if she had expenses of $98k in 2011, all's well. She's keeping her own books (big mistake!) and hasn't declared her income to the IRS as of 341 meeting date. Still, he hasn't proven anything with this. Nil.
15."The trustee, upon information and belief, alleges that the co-debtor has manipulated her income downward during the two month period prior to her bankruptcy filing. She switched off ads on her website/domain to manipulate and lower ad revenue from her website, from which she drew income."
Sounds good, right? But can he prove it? He goes after her on this in the 341 meeting, but hasn't really been able to catch her on anything. A decent lawyer can have this thrown out.
16. "The debtors have transferred, removed, destroyed, mutilated or concealed or have permitted to be transferred, removed, destroyed, mutilated or concealed, property of the estate after the date of the filing of the petition, namely the funds in the PayPal and Google accounts were undisclosed and have been used by the debtors; the debtor sold the enclosed travel trailer that was not disclosed and which was property of the estate, to a third party."
Again with the big words that got MWoP in a tizzy. What did they really do that he can prove? He says: undisclosed paypal, adsense receivables and icehouse.
Why didn't he bother to verify any balances on the paypal as of 12/13/2011. $400 icehouse? Adsense, again, could be covered either by her gross receipt income of 5K or (partially) outstanding receivables.
Sorry to say this, but upon reading this word by word now I'm no longer impressed by his big allegations. He sounds almost like a hysterical MWoP to me. Yet he got nuthin'.
He can't really back anything up.
It comes down to 1.5k favoratism payments to their parents, her domains, potentially the paypal and the silly icehouse.
MWoP gave him better clues that he neglected.
Namely:
-The travel trailer was sold within the 6 months period, undisclosed, therefore the claimed value of 8.5k could be his, right? He could reverse the sale, etc.
- Her undisclosed camera equipement and other household electronics (iphones, ipads)
- The rent they claim to have collected equal to their mortgage payments during 06/2011 and 07/2011. That's between 4-6.5k alone.
- Her photo sessions where she received partial cash payments and the exact dates for it.
If I were JM I'd get a good accountant, maybe a better lawyer and tear this to shreds.
One more thing:
Googling the trustee lists him as specialised in:
-agricultural law
-attorney (wtf? that's like a doctor specializing in medicine, right?)
-bankruptcy
His firm lists him as having 20 years experience in criminal law, now additionally specializing in bankruptcy, debt collecting, elder law and juvenile law.
So, you name it, he does it?
My gut feeling: He was a criminal defense lawyer in the bumbling hot-spot of Fargo (thus the agricultural expertise, hehe).
Thanks to the economy he discovered the mother load of bankruptcies without any accounting/financial background whatsoever. And it shows.
Thanks Kate :D Yes it was the twittorney who had me all tied up. Um huh, I'm pretty worried.
Re Zimmerman: I heard he lied about his finances and the judge is not too happy. Apparently something to do with a website collecting money for him that he was aware of but did not report.
I hope the trial is on camera. I like to see evidence admitted vs. info in the news.
pssst...sorry to be the spelling police ... it's mother lode. couldn't help myself :-))
Thanks Kate :D Yes it was the twittorney who had me all tied up. Um huh, I'm pretty worried.
Re Zimmerman: I heard he lied about his finances and the judge is not too happy. Apparently something to do with a website collecting money for him that he was aware of but did not report.
I hope the trial is on camera. I like to see evidence admitted vs. info in the news.
pssst...sorry to be the spelling police ... it's mother lode. couldn't help myself :-))
:: Redfaced ::
Thanks String for the spelling lesson!
You know, I actually KNEW that. But I'm grateful for corrections like that.
And the more time I spend on the internet, the harder it gets to spell words correctly.
It has come to the point where I pause at stuff and have to think: wait, is this correct or wrong?
"Re Zimmerman: I heard he lied about his finances and the judge is not too happy."
Yeah, but the judge wasn't too happy about the unpreparedness of the prosecution either...
I'm sorry you're so worried about the lawyer situation. Maybe you can form a support group with Shannon? She's scared to death too.
/sarcasm
:D Terrified I am for sure.
Funny observation...I think BMM's FB page really is gone this time. Guess her crusade against MWOP no longer matters since the BK was denied.
Kate: "And the more time I spend on the internet, the harder it gets to spell words correctly."
Yeap, isnt taht the truff?! I have gotten sloppy in my reading and don't catch errors as effortlessly as I used to because I see them wrong so often. That annoys me. Didn't mean to embarrass you though.
Definitely need the support group :/ Ha.
And it is a bit interesting that "she" has disappeared from FB. Maybe she's upset that she didn't make THE LIST. I
Where did the extraneous "I" come from?
Sorry, String, I snuck that in there.
You embarrassed me so badly I had to take revenge!
Seriously though, I dont't mind such things at all. It WAS an embarrassing thing to misspell!
Especially as my version of 'get offa' my lawn' contains a lot of yelling at internet kids "Don't use big words you clearly don't even know! Read a book!". So, double whammy.
"I think BMM's FB page really is gone this time."
Hasn't she done that before?
I know somebody who closed down her facebook and got a notice that it won't be deleted for good, she could reactivate it any time. Or maybe that was one option. Erase or deactivate.
Anyway, I kind of admire her perseverance. MWoP is mocking her mercilessly, JM's readers are less than cordial, yet she calmy powers through.
I have an "old" facebook, I "deactivated" several months ago and started over. I can go back anytime and reactivate that page, your fb page is never deleted unless you specifically email them to delete the page.
Kate,
"Sorry, String, I snuck that in there."
I always wanted one for the back of my head :-O
(they're their there, your you're, two to too, eye I) :-D
That's alot of potential minefields...
Nothing gets my goat like 'should of, would of, could of'.
That's instant hate. No coming back. You could say the wittiest things and be the most insightful person on the whole internet, I still don't want to see another word from you.
And if you're a grown ass person and say things like 'awesomesauce' or 'amazeballs'... I want you dead.
OH shot kate is gonna want me dead.....I think I have been known to say things like that.
Don't worry, Shannon. I'll protect you. :-D
Run! Run fast!! LOL that is all I got. <---bad grammer <---bad spelling :-D
I hate that sauce and balls stuff too Kate. And should OF, etc. <----cringeworthy
Hope it doesn't count when it's done as a joke :-O
Shannon,
You haven't been known TO ME to say things like that. So for now we're good.
And as soon as you do say stuff like that, well, then there are 2 people of which you should be terrified.
Uh, no, that's not it, laugh about? Point at & crack jokes about? One of these.
"Hope it doesn't count when it's done as a joke"
Of course not. And some bad grammer just looks/sounds better, non?
Wondering if awesomesauce and amazeballs would make a good meal.
Sure it would. I remember JM had a pic of it up recently. There were mozzarella balls and mucus(-like-)sauce. Dig in!
BWHAHAHA that is about right kate, I picture that is the way it would look as well.
So catching up on MWOP and why BMM's FB is back up.....pretty damn funny because EVERYTHING is gone.
i'm back, we're home, and i have nothing useful to add to the jm debacle. it's just a mess and i'd be embarrassed as all get out to be named one of her friends. because surely a friend would have said 'sweetie, you need to dial it down a bit.' and maybe tossed in a 'what the hockeysticks do you think you're doing?'
I am glad you are all home. Has the weather cooperated at all with some outside time yet? I love the idea of all of you outside, it's weird I know but I just know that you always talk about being outside.
Have not visited Daisy in months. Not caught up at all. And what do I see, much to my joy? Tumbleweed. I doubt you remember me, Tumbleweed, but just know that I am overjoyed and wish you and your family the best. So glad to hear you are back home.
Off to catch up on all you Daisies and see if String is sporting those Suntan L'Eggs!
kaytieJ !!!
i remember you! thank you. (:
we're going off to the river for a walk, because it's not raining. i'm ridiculously excited. good to see you again
OK - caught up on all this post.
JM - Blech. How many foreclosures, bankruptcies can someone go through as a public figure and they are all freaked out and caterwauling and name calling because they have been so misunderstood? Whatever. Personally, she is not on my radar and she bores me to tears.
Rhys! I scrolled back and saw that your name was here and so happy to use it. Felt funny to call you Tumbleweed. Have a wonderful walk on the river!
Oh yes, KaytieJ, wearing my L'eggs as a sunhat these days :-) It's quite fetching.
Some days I feel like the class idiot :-P
But ARE YOUR L'EGGS CROSSED?
Ooooh. Good one :-D
Hi...it's after 3am and that part sucks but I was afraid Kate might slap me down if I stay away much longer. ;-) Kate, I was reading what you said about the Trustee and, obviously I can't argue since I'm seeing what you see (or rather, don't see) but I'm still holding out hope he hasn't played his full hand yet. Until he has, I'm going to try to withhold criticism, you know? As for his areas of practice, I can't say much there...my own attorney, way back when I first hired him to handle a divorce/custody deal, specialized in criminal and probate cases. What an odd mix, hmmm? But he'd made the decision to cut his practice back a bit and only handle cases that really interested him and he would also take on the rare family law case if it was unusual enough to interest him. Mine did, so he took me on but criminal, probate and the occasional family case? Some attorneys are just that way...they like a little of everything. that said, I wish you were the Trustee, too.
"Personally I dont think she has ever lived outside of their means I just dont think that she/they feels that she owns things as soon as she has them."
I think you could well be right here...when you don't really own what you have, or at least know you most probably will own it in the future, you don't have the same appreciation and respect for it. I think most everything she does and buys is viewed as disposable.
Kaytie, yay! I love seeing you here!
"And if you're a grown ass person and say things like 'awesomesauce' or 'amazeballs'... I want you dead."
THANK YOU! I've caught myself wanting to use the word "awesome" lately and having to control that. "Awesome" is bad enough when used often...add "sauce" to it and I want to stomp on something. Also, "adorbs"? Could possibly drive me to chew someone's face off.
Warning: Below will be the chicken theft and Peeping Tom stories for Kate..scroll past if not interested.
So, Kate, I'm not only a bargain shopper, I tend to be a bit of a food hoarder and we also eat mostly chicken. As a result of some amazing sales, I had a chest freezer filled with a *lot of chicken breasts. Now, said freezer is in my utility room, which is accessible from carport or back patio, under the main roof of the house, but not accessible from inside the house and at the time, I never locked the doors. It's the room where I also have my washer and dryer and my hot water heater, as well as storage. No one ever locked their utility rooms up unless they kept super expensive tools in there or something. So...this is maybe 9 years ago now...I was regularly finding Freeze Pop wrappers in the back yard and kept accusing Jake and his friends, as they were free to go into said freezer and get them out while playing. They always denied it. One day, when I was at work, my mom called to tell me my old-lady neighbor across the street has called her to say there was a teenage girl standing outside my kitchen door on the carport and eating a Freeze Pop. She found it odd to see that at like 8am, with me not home, so she called my mom and both old ladies met up to confront said girl. Girl refuses to talk to them and goes off walking. Mom peeks in my freezer, sees the box of Freeze Pops and they determine said girl must be mistreated and hungry...they set off looking for her in order to feed her. Miss Arse calls me at around 10 to report this occurrence, whereupon I lose it on her, pissed that some strange girl is eating our Freeze Pops, basically is *inside my home*, and they haven't called the cops. Oooooh, nooooo, they felt fucking sorry for her. *eyeroll* She tells me things "look okay" inside my freezer. So, I get home later and look in the freezer myself...probably 3/4 of my chicken is gone. Roughly 50 pounds of boneless, skinless breasts. I am *pissed...that's grand theft! I call the cops and, based on the description of the girl, he recognizes her as a local runaway. They find her the next day in the county juvenile facility on grand theft auto charges and he goes to talk with her. She'd been helping herself to my chicken and selling it to people or cooking it in the woods as her main source of food. Stupid, thieving little bitch.
As for the Peeping Tom, I was in the bathroom one night getting ready for bed. My window has frosted glass but I had no blind on it...my mistake. The curtain was pulled open, too. I thought that frosted glass offered more protection than it obviously did. I was peeing, stood up, glanced at the window and saw the shape of a head...thought it was a reflection of my own head so I tilted mine. The other head didn't tilt and I just knew. I stayed calm, like nothing was wrong, got a gun and called my across the street neighbor. We quietly met out front and he had me guard one gate while he went in the other to my backyard...sure enough, someone runs out the gate on my side, I stick my gun in his face,seriously ready to kill the guy, and it's my neighbor's 16 year old son. *sighs* Long story hopefully shortened, he'd been watching in my bathroom *and bedroom (ugh, lesson learned on how to properly tilt blinds in the bedroom, too) for months...apparently the draw of the lesbians next door had just been too much for his 16 year old, dumbass, hormonal self to deal with appropriately. By the way, did y'all know that if you wet frosted glass down on the outside, you can see through it pretty well but it still looks normal from the inside? Yeah, me neither.
Lisa, great stories. The best ones are always true. Do you think you could find that freeze pop girl? I'd like to give her my L'Eggs :-))
I wonder how much glass block obscures. ::shudders::
Yay! A Lisa sighting! I was just about to sing you home...
Seriously, are you ok? Still evolving?
"By the way, did y'all know that if you wet frosted glass down on the outside, you can see through it pretty well but it still looks normal from the inside?"
Oh lord. I'm undecided right now if I want to thank you or cry about the loss of that particular innocence.
Thank you for sharing those stories!
"thought it was a reflection of my own head so I tilted mine. The other head didn't tilt and I just knew."
There was probably also the subconscious knowledge that there's never been a reflection (like that) before...
How does one carry on with the neighbors afterwards? Did they move immediately or did you have to nod at him politely for years later?
"I'm not only a bargain shopper, I tend to be a bit of a food hoarder"
I can absolutely relate to that. I'm really terrible that way. With meat, not frozen veggies or herbs or icecream. Those only need to be at a minimum level, never go out. But I only part under tears with meat from my freezer. And replace it with 2 new pieces immediately.
"whereupon I lose it on her, pissed that some strange girl is eating our Freeze Pops, basically is *inside my home*, and they haven't called the cops."
Yep, I'm with you on that too.
There's a time to be a bleeding heart Mother Teresa of all runaways. When some stranger intrudes my living space is not that time.
Boy, both your stories make me shudder. I feel violated just reading them.
But hands down the wrappers in the yard piss me off the most.
"Also, "adorbs"? Could possibly drive me to chew someone's face off."
You prolly really love 'totes adorbs' then. I think that's just delish. Yeah, I can't do this.
"Some attorneys are just that way...they like a little of everything."
I don't have a problem there, especially in small towns. But I appreciate the irony of JM's trustee being a 'specializing expert' in all areas. Isn't that one thing that MWoP loves to criticize about JM?
"that said, I wish you were the Trustee, too."
Thank you.
I got so enraged about his filing on Saturday that I actually thought about looking into this.
But then I realized that it would be 90% of digging through some poor souls' meager belongings in the 'hope' of sniffing out some undisclosed family heirloom that their great-grandmother saved from whatever pogrom she escaped. And the remaining 10% would be JMs who'd get my adrenaline levels into overdrive. I really don't want to become any more disillusioned with people.
Reading MWoP has notably changed my perception of bankruptcy and food stamps as it is. My motto: I'm all for helping out the helpless... but it helps not knowing them.
"Until he has, I'm going to try to withhold criticism, you know?"
Yeah, you're a better person than me. But it's a fair point. I'll follow your example from now on. Now that I've shot off my load. (@ String, that one's for you.)
"I was afraid Kate might slap me down if I stay away much longer."
Oh, shush now. You're giving me a false reputation of a violent badass. Like I said before: I (we, I assume) just miss you when you're not around.
Also, I panicked after you said 'anything more than MWoP is too overwhelming right now' and there I go and post a full blown analysis of intricate financials.
"I wonder how much glass block obscures."
I don't have frosted glass but am currently killing myself wanting to test their wet see through qualities. So while I'm out and about, getting arrested anyway, do you want me to check up on glass blocks too?
aw. i like to say awesome. (: however i mean it mostly in a sarcastic way, like 'shiny'. there's a generation gap there. i said it once in a poorly thought email while lia was in the hospital. like this:
her sugars have been 336 and then 67. awesome.
and the person says 'o yes. that is great. i'm so glad you're happy about that'
right. generation gap there for sure. i wanted to punch something when i said it. i wanted to punch something else when i read her reply.
the crazy people stories are scary!!! thankfully our Large Dog would have scared off anyone before they came into the house.
let's see. it's still raining, so we've not been outside at all this week. but we've had open windows and breezes in the rare moments when the rain stops. i am fascinated with the rain. so are the kids.
"Until he has, I'm going to try to withhold criticism, you know?"
I realized that's impossible for me to do. His filings were just too inadequate, IMO.
It's his job.
He'll receive a percentage of what he can recover.
He's had months.
His facts are too often simply wrong.
He took too much MWoP for gospel without research.
Nope, even if he uncovers more stuff later, he'll always have spent 5 months until his court filings and come up nearly empty handed. Even though MWoP gave it to him on a platter.
Remember that scene from Stand By Me where everyone was barfing? That happened in my kitchen tonight. Yep.
Julia
Um...anyone know why there's not a "Discuss" link on MWOP anymore? :-/
It's split into two commenting areas now, Lisa. On the top menu where it says Community, you can click on off topic or JM related areas. But you've probably figured that out by now.
Julia -??? Hope everyone's okay.
Oh, Julia, that truly sucks. Stomach bug, I assume? I hope y'all shake ti quickly, as there's just nothing worse.
"and the person says 'o yes. that is great. i'm so glad you're happy about that'"
That's not a generation gap...that's just dumbass. ;-)
On the frosted glass thing, to see through it when wet, it must be dark outside and the pepper's face must be close. So, there is *that. But yep, I bet a lot of peepers are busy on rainy nights. Kate, I don't have any glass blocks but if you're going to be taking one for the team and trying this out, go for it...someone else may like to know.
String, I had not figured it out...will go try that and thank you!
I'm a pepper, you're a pepper, he's a pepper, she's a pepper. Would you like to be a pepper too?
"Now that I've shot off my load. (@ String, that one's for you.)"
Ewwwwwwwww, Kate. Just ewww, lol!
Well, I just don't think as poorly of the trustee as you do...yet. That's not to say I won't, but for now, until it's over, I'm still going to hold out hope he does more. I'm an optimist like that, you know.
*flicks a bluebird off my shoulder*
(uhhm, don't repeat that stuff, Lisa :-P)
What stuff, String? Maybe I should just not repeat anything...but then, all rumors on the internet might stop. Okay, that's not a plan.
I just wanted to show off to String that I CAN use 'load' in a correct context.
You guys all have your minds in the gutter.
:: Flicks bluebird, butterflies and unicorn glitter off own sholder ::
:: Flicks bluebird, butterflies and unicorn glitter off own sholder ::
I hate it when Kate gets all tough and sexy. *sighs*
So, I like what Anja did on MWOP...anyone else? It's nice to not have to read all the OT stuff or collapse it, which, frankly, was more time consuming that scrolling for me. I get why many there who have bonded with one another like getting more personal and that's a good side effect for them, but it's also nice for those of us who have remained unbonded to the regulars there to not have to sift through it all. At least I think so.
I don't care one way or the other. I never saw the big deal with OT stuff and thought the people who complained were kind of whiners. Err, complainers.
(ignoring kate ... whistles ... pretends she didn't have her mind in the gutter ... ha ha )
String, I didn't mind some OT stuff, like Shellie's posts, but masses of baby pics and pet pics, to give a recent example, from people I have no connection with just isn't my cup of tea. That's not to say I'll never read the OT stuff, I'm sure I will, but it's nice to be able to go to the on-topic area and get a quick update if time is limited or I'm not in the mood for the other. And please, I'm a complainer, I'm no whiner. :-P
I agree that a lot of people, especially recently, have gone overboard on OT. Not my cup of tea either. And their brand of snark isn't my cup of diet dr. pepper either. Errr, tea.
Some of them are all "Mine is snark, yours is mean. No, yours is mean. Mine. Yours. Yours. Mine. Waaaaah."
That gets old. I miss the old MWOP.
I think it's an interesting experiment.
Most of these people didn't end up on a hater site because they're so warm and loving. And when JM doesn't give them more fodder than Nuggey's 'sad and lost face' they need to turn on somebody else.
Already there are remarks like 'phew - so glad not to have to scroll through nitpickers anymore'. Some are (defiantely) announcing they intend to post on both threads... ugh.
I have high hopes that they'll deliver the fun that JM's currently withholding.
I'm also curious how long it'll take until nobody bothers with that whiney complainer anymore that does nothing but OT stuff.
""Mine is snark, yours is mean. No, yours is mean. Mine. Yours. Yours. Mine. Waaaaah.""
Yep, and everybody who identifies them as a hater site is wrooooooooooong. They're just snarking. Well, except maybe a few mean ones, but really all of them are loving little lambs who just want to protect the world from JM, damnit.
Hey, I am warm and loving :-D
By defiantely do you mean defiantly or definitely?
I think the OT page will be more active than the JM page. At least until something more outrageous happens.
Yeah, it's the ones who say stuff is "nitpicky" that get me. Their stuff is nitpicky too, just about different things.
"I have high hopes that they'll deliver the fun that JM's currently withholding."
I think we all (mostly) suspect that's going to happen. This is not going to end well, I'm afraid, but I still like the idea and think it was game of Anja to try it. Really, that place might be better suited to a set of forums at this point.
"I'm also curious how long it'll take until nobody bothers with that whiney complainer anymore that does nothing but OT stuff."
Oh, no, you don't mean Shellie, do you? If you do, I may have to defend her a little.
*** I know it's still Saturday but I'm tired, so there's a new post up early. Carry shit over, 'k? Thanks! ***
Nah. My beef with Shellie is that she proudly doesn't work but lives off SSD. And don't anybody dare to criticize her because she does do work. At home. Seeing to it that her parents take their meds, doing laundry, etc. Her words.
Sorry, nice try, but move along, you have no business going after JM.
Nope, I mean mostly that horrible army widow. Who can't keep her lies straight either. But does nothing but complain or ask for advice.
But there are others too.
In defense of Shellie, whom I also find to be a bit annoying, she has Aspergers. That could explain her inability to work, but her parents seem mentally healthy, and they live on SSD, whilst smoking. That bugs me more.
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